Where does Duncan rank all time if he gets #6 this year?

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

Except, you know, when Robinson won his first ring, it was during the same season that Pop was almost fired because he was doing such a shitty job - Avery had to become the vocal leader because Pop was sitting back, Duncan and Robinson were doing pretty much everything on defense and Pop was running one of, if not the most vanilla offenses in the league, with some of the worst off-ball movement I've ever seen from a contending team.

So no, Robinson being ranked in the top twenty-five is not 'Pop'.

Was going to say the same thing. POP wasn't POP from day 1

[DaOldLion]

I don't think I"ll ever get why Tim Duncan is so overrated. People seriously saying if the Spurs won he could be top 5? Jesus christ...

exactly this..

Duncan has never won b2b

Hasn't won a FMVP in over a decade

His teams have been at their best when he is reduced to the Serge Ibaka role

His last FMVP was possibly the most un-impressive FMVP this century.. he put up 20ppg on 47% TS (worse than Lebron in 2015 while scoring 15 less points)

Won during the worst NBA season of all time (99)

Has lost in the first round multiple times

Lost as the number 1 seed in the first round.. LOL..

The Spurs have been at their best when Duncan is a defensive role player.. TRUTH HURTS..

Choked on a potential game winning lay-up in 2013 finals, imagine if Kobe or Lebron did this..

Plays with an incredibly stacked roster every year and nobody cares..


He gets away with stuff that no other all time greats could get away with, nothing ever gets held against him and everything he does well is praised beyond belief

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

exactly this..

Duncan has never won b2b

Hasn't won a FMVP in over a decade

His teams have been at their best when he is reduced to the Serge Ibaka role

His last FMVP was possibly the most un-impressive FMVP this century.. he put up 20ppg on 47% TS (worse than Lebron in 2015 while scoring 15 less points)

Won during the worst NBA season of all time (99)

Has lost in the first round multiple times

Lost as the number 1 seed in the first round.. LOL..

The Spurs have been at their best when Duncan is a defensive role player.. TRUTH HURTS..

Choked on a potential game winning lay-up in 2013 finals, imagine if Kobe or Lebron did this..

Plays with an incredibly stacked roster every year and nobody cares..


He gets away with stuff that no other all time greats could get away with, nothing ever gets held against him and everything he does well is praised beyond belief

You miss the eye test. He makes the Spurs engine run with his leadership and still elite field presence as a rim protector and a rebounder with excellent postplaymaking and post offense with a nice mid range.

[ArbitraryWater]

unchanged, so 7-10

Except, you know, when Robinson won his first ring, it was during the same season that Pop was almost fired because he was doing such a shitty job - Avery had to become the vocal leader because Pop was sitting back, Duncan and Robinson were doing pretty much everything on defense and Pop was running one of, if not the most vanilla offenses in the league, with some of the worst off-ball movement I've ever seen from a contending team.

So no, Robinson being ranked in the top twenty-five is not 'Pop'.

mah nigha

[DaOldLion]

You miss the eye test. He makes the Spurs engine run with his leadership and still elite field presence as a rim protector and a rebounder with excellent postplaymaking and post offense with a nice mid range.

he's not even the best player at his own position on his own team..

[Bankaii]

manu in 2005 averaged 20ppg on 60% fg's and lead the spurs in assists

duncan averaged 20ppg on 40% fg's. played like sh*t



duncan won MVP.. but it was a legit co-lead



same as when kobe was basically matching shaqs output in 2001 and 2002 while leading in assists


at best kobe has 1 gasol ring in 2000.. while saving the entire year a few times to make up for it




kobes 2009 and 2010 playoff and finals averages are 10+ ppg on gasol


please gtfo

2000 Finals:
Shaq: 38/17/2/1/3 on 61%
Kobe: 16/5/4/1/1.4 on 37%
Kobe put up 2002 Fisher numbers. Either Fisher had sidekick numbers or Kobe was a role player.

2001 Finals:
Shaq: 33/16/5/3.4/0.4 on 57%
Kobe: 27/8/6/1.4/1.4 on 42%
Shaq was clearly the number 1 guy.

2002 Finals:
Shaq: 36/12/4/3/0.5 on 60%
Kobe: 27/6/5/1.5/0.5 on 51%
Shaq was even more clearly the number 1 guy. Kobe was a sidekick with almost 10 less ppg.

2000: Role player
2001: Sidekick
2002: Sidekick
2009: Alpha
2010: Co-lead

[Bankaii]

exactly this..

Duncan has never won b2b

Hasn't won a FMVP in over a decade

His teams have been at their best when he is reduced to the Serge Ibaka role

His last FMVP was possibly the most un-impressive FMVP this century.. he put up 20ppg on 47% TS (worse than Lebron in 2015 while scoring 15 less points)

Won during the worst NBA season of all time (99)

Has lost in the first round multiple times

Lost as the number 1 seed in the first round.. LOL..

The Spurs have been at their best when Duncan is a defensive role player.. TRUTH HURTS..

Choked on a potential game winning lay-up in 2013 finals, imagine if Kobe or Lebron did this..

Plays with an incredibly stacked roster every year and nobody cares..


He gets away with stuff that no other all time greats could get away with, nothing ever gets held against him and everything he does well is praised beyond belief

38 year old team Duncan was the Spurs best player last year in the playoffs and was their most consistent player both offensively and defensively.

So stacked doe

[T_L_P]

he's not even the best player at his own position on his own team..

Duncan in 14+15 Playoffs: 18/10/2, .575 TS%, 22 PER, .210 WS/48, +5.3 +/-

Aldridge: 24/10/1, .483 TS% 19.5 PER, .076 WS/48, -2.0 +/-

Duncan obviously isn't going out there dominating in an 82 game RS at 40. In the Playoffs, there are very few more effective than him - he posted an 18/11/3/.600 TS% series against the Clippers last year with no help from Splitter, meaning he was being guarded by DJ (DPOY candidate) and Blake Griffin a lot, and still grilling them.

Even if he isn't the best at his position on his team, they guy is almost 40. Most all-timers are either out of the league or averaging 2 PPG at his age.

Anything he does at this point is a plus, especially since he's only the 132nd highest paid player in the entire league.

[kennethgriffin]

2000 Finals:
Shaq: 38/17/2/1/3 on 61%
Kobe: 16/5/4/1/1.4 on 37%
Kobe put up 2002 Fisher numbers. Either Fisher had sidekick numbers or Kobe was a role player.

2001 Finals:
Shaq: 33/16/5/3.4/0.4 on 57%
Kobe: 27/8/6/1.4/1.4 on 42%
Shaq was clearly the number 1 guy.

2002 Finals:
Shaq: 36/12/4/3/0.5 on 60%
Kobe: 27/6/5/1.5/0.5 on 51%
Shaq was even more clearly the number 1 guy. Kobe was a sidekick with almost 10 less ppg.

2000: Role player
2001: Sidekick
2002: Sidekick
2009: Alpha
2010: Co-lead

b*tch please...


dont give me averages vs the east

those werent the real finals


how are 2 guys supposed to average 30 a piece when its mostly blow outs

[T_L_P]

please dont give me averages vs the east

those werent the real finals


how are 2 guys supposed to average 30 a piece when its mostly blow outs

I gave you the entire Playoff averages above - post #30.

[kennethgriffin]

I gave you the entire Playoff averages above - post #30.

the fact is if you dont count those exibition finals stats.. kobe and shaq average the same stats throughout the first 3 rounds in 2001 and 2002... infact kobes were better in 2001



kobe or shaq could both have won the finals without each other against the pissers, philly or jersey


that shit was like the pro bowl after the fact

[kennethgriffin]

lets be honest...



mitch richmond coulda been gifted the 1st option role in the finals and the lakers still win


mitch wins fmvp averaging 25



so i dont care if shaq got it... kobe was the real mvp vs the best teams in 2001

2002 its close

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Already top 5 and debatably top 2/3, so with another ring he'll be unquestionably top 3 all time, dead or alive.

[DMAVS41]

lets be honest...



mitch richmond coulda been gifted the 1st option role in the finals and the lakers still win


mitch wins fmvp averaging 25



so i dont care if shaq got it... kobe was the real mvp vs the best teams in 2001

2002 its close

but then why do you call Duncan "2nd banana" in 07 when the Cavs weren't even a threat to win a single game?

seems like a double standard....because Duncan was demonstrably better than Parker and Manu in the western playoffs.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

but then why do you call Duncan "2nd banana" in 07 when the Cavs weren't even a threat to win a single game?

seems like a double standard....because Duncan was demonstrably better than Parker and Manu in the western playoffs.