How many PG's have averaged 25/5/5 in modern era?

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Better scorer? Check

Better rebounder? Check

Better playmaker? Check

Prime Wade was a way better scorer not close. He had a better shot from everywhere, midrange, floaters, dropping on a dime, pullup, even 3 etc. and was a GOAT level slasher and he actually finished at elite levels at the rim unlike Westbrook who misses alot. He only shot 58% at the rim last season which is pretty bad honestly. Wade at his best was like 10%+ more efficient thats a huge edge. Plus Wade was more crafty and skilled at drawing fouls as well, had better footwork tho not the explosion.

Defensively they are a wash on rebounding. Westbrook is better overall rebounder since hes about as good as any guard has ever been on the offensive glass.

Wade kills playmaking too. He was one of the most deadly pickandroll players ever at his prime. Westbrook is really good there tho not at alltime/elite levels, defenses arent as scared of his playmaking from the perimeter/wing, its only when he drives thru the teeth of a defense and creates opportunities from the chaos inside. Wade had a higher IQ, tighter dribble and court awareness at spots outside the paint.

And defensively while his stans can overrate him at times Wade was a much better defender. Westbrook really isnt a very good defender. Nikkas just look at his steals and athleticism, but he makes alot of mistakes, rotating, spotting his man, he goes for boards sometimes and leaves his assignment, completely loses guys on screens etc. He can lock down when hes focused but hes like 2011 Kobe defensively. It got the point where OKC just used him as a roamer in their defensive sets since in a bigger role he was hurting the D alot but was allowed to gamble and freelance more with better recovery options

[bdreason]

And watched the playoffs from his couch.

[Duffy Pratt]

Not just Oscar. Jerry West did it six times. Havlicek did it twice. Maravich did it in 77. There is nothing about 1980 that marks it as the modern era, unless you insist the appearance of Bird and Magic totally altered the game.

[GrapeApe]

Prime Wade was a way better scorer not close. He had a better shot from everywhere, midrange, floaters, dropping on a dime, pullup, even 3 etc. and was a GOAT level slasher and he actually finished at elite levels at the rim unlike Westbrook who misses alot. He only shot 58% at the rim last season which is pretty bad honestly. Wade at his best was like 10%+ more efficient thats a huge edge. Plus Wade was more crafty and skilled at drawing fouls as well, had better footwork tho not the explosion.

Defensively they are a wash on rebounding. Westbrook is better overall rebounder since hes about as good as any guard has ever been on the offensive glass.

Wade kills playmaking too. He was one of the most deadly pickandroll players ever at his prime. Westbrook is really good there tho not at alltime/elite levels, defenses arent as scared of his playmaking from the perimeter/wing, its only when he drives thru the teeth of a defense and creates opportunities from the chaos inside. Wade had a higher IQ, tighter dribble and court awareness at spots outside the paint.

And defensively while his stans can overrate him at times Wade was a much better defender. Westbrook really isnt a very good defender. Nikkas just look at his steals and athleticism, but he makes alot of mistakes, rotating, spotting his man, he goes for boards sometimes and leaves his assignment, completely loses guys on screens etc. He can lock down when hes focused but hes like 2011 Kobe defensively. It got the point where OKC just used him as a roamer in their defensive sets since in a bigger role he was hurting the D alot but was allowed to gamble and freelance more with better recovery options

Very well said.

In terms of Wade's defense being overrated at times, I think that's mostly due to frustration from him being snubbed from all-defense teams he probably deserved. Kind of overcompensation I guess. All in all though, great post.

[Brunch@Five]

What's impressive is that Westbrook is doing this in limited minutes. He's basically putting up Oscar Roberston numbers per 40 minutes.

[Monta Ellis MVP]

Monta Ellis missed it by one rebound in the 2009-2010 season. He posted 25/5/4/2.

[GrapeApe]

Monta Ellis missed it by one rebound in the 2009-2010 season. He posted 25/5/4/2.

He's a SG. Plenty of SG's have posted those numbers, though Westbrook is probably closer to a SG than a PG. It's kind of hard to call a player a PG when they average over 22 shots per game.

[dhsilv]

Not just Oscar. Jerry West did it six times. Havlicek did it twice. Maravich did it in 77. There is nothing about 1980 that marks it as the modern era, unless you insist the appearance of Bird and Magic totally altered the game.

I feel like the thread was edited as I could have sworn it wasn't 5 and 5.

That said West last did it on a team with a pace of 118. Maravich was a shooting guard no? Havlicek was listed as a small forward as well.

[aj1987]

Thesmallmamba go absolutely bodied. RIP, [COLOR="Black"]f[/COLOR]aggot.

[Thesmallmamba]

Thesmallmamba go absolutely bodied. RIP, [COLOR="Black"]f[/COLOR]aggot.

Keep telling that to yourself

LOL @ the idea of Westbrook missing the playoffs in the East with Bosh, Deng, Whiteside, Dragic


They'd be a contender with Westbrook, probably the best team in the league, yet with Wade they are a lottery team



Wade was never elite just deal with it.

[aj1987]

Keep telling that to yourself

LOL @ the idea of Westbrook missing the playoffs in the East with Bosh, Deng, Whiteside, Dragic

They'd be a contender with Westbrook, probably the best team in the league, yet with Wade they are a lottery team

Wade was never elite just deal with it.

You do know that those 3 played a COMBINED total of ~100 games, right?

I'll try what you did. WB missed the PO's WITH prime Durant and Ibaka, while he himself is in his prime. You really want to compare 33 year old Wade to prime/peak WB?

[Thesmallmamba]

Deflections

Even WITH Bosh, Wade still went below .500

A lottery team in the weak East, just stop it


Westbrook was above .500 WITHOUT Durant




Think about it...


seriously..


Wade WITH Bosh and Whiteside = below .500


Westbrook WITHOUT Durant and Ibaka = above .500





This is not even close, Wade is like 2 tiers below Westbrook

[GrapeApe]

Keep telling that to yourself

LOL @ the idea of Westbrook missing the playoffs in the East with Bosh, Deng, Whiteside, Dragic


They'd be a contender with Westbrook, probably the best team in the league, yet with Wade they are a lottery team



Wade was never elite just deal with it.

Terrible trolling, up your game dude.

Bosh missed half the season, Dragic played 26 games, and Whiteside barely played until January and averaged 23 mpg for the season. Also, why are you comparing 33 year old Wade to current Westbrook? Lowering the bar I see.

Wade at Westbrook's age was dropping 35/8/4/3 in the finals and carrying his team to a title. Prime Wade was averaging 30/8/5/2.2/1.3 and finished 3rd in DPOY.

Not elite.

[Thesmallmamba]

Terrible trolling, up your game dude.

Bosh missed half the season, Dragic played 26 games, and Whiteside barely played until January and averaged 23 mpg for the season. Also, why are you comparing 33 year old Wade to current Westbrook? Lowering the bar I see.

Wade at Westbrook's age was dropping 35/8/4/3 in the finals and carrying his team to a title. Prime Wade was averaging 30/8/5/2.2/1.3 and finished 3rd in DPOY.

Not elite.

Read my post above you, Even WITH Bosh, Wade still went below .500



And Westbrook is 26-27, at that age Wade was losing in the 1st round and missing the playoffs, stop lying



So, basically everything you posted was wrong, try again.

[Wade's Rings]

Deflections

Even WITH Bosh, Wade still went below .500

A lottery team in the weak East, just stop it


Westbrook was above .500 WITHOUT Durant




Think about it...


seriously..


Wade WITH Bosh and Whiteside = below .500


Westbrook WITHOUT Durant and Ibaka = above .500





This is not even close, Wade is like 2 tiers below Westbrook

Damn you got wrecked and suck at trolling. Can Dubeta or 3ball give this guy some tips?