Kobe without Shaq vs Lebron without Wade vs Jordan without Pippen

[BoutPractice]

Gasol is a true legend, maybe not top 50 although it's arguable.

But that's beside the point. Whatever he is, he was on a whole other level than Orlando Woolridge and Zydrunas Ilgauskas...

[kennethgriffin]

Gasol is a true legend, maybe not top 50 although it's arguable.

But that's beside the point. Whatever he is, he was on a whole other level than Orlando Woolridge and Zydrunas Ilgauskas...

Theres not that many nba legends



He might be a legend in spain i guess


Hes a euro basket tourny legend.. but nba?

[HOoopCityJones]

Gasol is a true legend, maybe not top 50 although it's arguable.

But that's beside the point. Whatever he is, he was on a whole other level than Orlando Woolridge and Zydrunas Ilgauskas...

If Pau is a Legend , then what is someone like Bosh? On their own respective Teams they were about the same, Bosh probably had better numbers.

[kennethgriffin]

If Pau is a Legend , then what is someone like Bosh? On their own respective Teams they were about the same, Bosh probably had better numbers.

Bosh has twice as many allstar appearences with the same number of titles.. around the same career average

[Hey Yo]

When healthy enough to compete in the playoffs:



Jordan without Pippen

1984-85 - Jordan had Orlando Woolridge ( 23ppg ) lost 1st round 1-3
1985-86 - Jordan had Orlando Woolridge ( 21ppg ) Swept 1st round
1986-87 - Jordan had future Allstar Charles Oakley ( 15.0ppg ) Swept 1st round
2001-02 - Jordan had future Allstar richard hamilton ( 20.0ppg ) missed playoffs
2002-03 - Jordan had Allstar Jerry Stackhouse ( 22ppg ) missed playoffs


Lebron without Wade

2003-04 - Lebron had future Allstar Carlos Boozer ( 16ppg ) missed playoffs
2004-05 - Lebron had Allstar Zydrunas Ilgauskas ( 17ppg ) missed playoffs
2005-06 - Lebron had Allstar Zydrunas Ilgauskas ( 16ppg ) lost 2nd round
2006-07 - Lebron had former 20ppg Larry Hughes ( 15ppg ) lost finals
2007-08 - Lebron had Allstar Zydrunas Ilgauskas ( 14ppg ) lost 2nd round
2008-09 - Lebron had Allstar Mo Williams ( 18ppg ) lost 3rd round
2009-10 - Lebron had Allstar Mo Williams ( 16ppg ) lost 2nd round
2014-15 - Lebron had Timofy Mozgov ( 14ppg finals ) lost finals



Kobe without Shaq


2005-06 - Kobe had Lamar Odom ( 15ppg ) lost first round
2006-07 - Kobe had Lamar Odom ( 16ppg ) lost first round
2007-08 - Kobe had Allstar Pau Gasol ( 19ppg ) lost in finals
2008-09 - Kobe had Allstar Pau Gasol ( 19ppg ) Won Championship
2009-10 - Kobe had Allstar Pau Gasol ( 18ppg ) Won Championship
2010-11 - Kobe had Allstar Pau Gasol ( 19ppg ) Lost 2nd round
2011-12 - Kobe had Andrew Bynum ( 19ppg ) lost 2nd round





i see allot of people on here saying "what about kobe without gasol"


well then we're defeating the point. cause if lebron won with ilgauskas.. then we can say "without wade and big z?" or if jordan won with woolridge.. then its "without pippen or woolridge" and so on ...

thats dumb.


each guy with a barely adequate 2nd man ... thats what we're looking at


wade/pippen/shaq are all legends... all these other guys mentioned are not

and its obvious who can get the job done without needing that legendary 2nd man

Kobe also had Ron Artest.
NBA All-Star (2004)
All-NBA Third Team (2004)
NBA Defensive Player of the Year (2004)
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[DaOldLion]

^^^^

did you even read what he said?

Because what you're claiming he said, is the exact opposite of what he actually said



nvm he deleted the post

[DaOldLion]

[QUOTE=Hey Yo]Kobe also had Ron Artest.
NBA All-Star (2004)
All-NBA Third Team (2004)
NBA Defensive Player of the Year (2004)
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[Smoke117]

Whatever these Kobe stans want to say...Pau had one of the biggest impacts in the league during those championship years. There's a reason why in 09 and 10 that he is the leader in win shares. You aren't going to find any other team where the guy who is considered the 2nd best player has more win shares than the guy considered the best. (but you'll also not find any other team where the guy considered the best is as overrated as kobe)

[Lebron23]

Pau Gasol in the 2010 NBA Finals > Kawhi Leonard, and Iggy in the NBA Finals.

[kennethgriffin]

[QUOTE=Hey Yo]Kobe also had Ron Artest.
NBA All-Star (2004)
All-NBA Third Team (2004)
NBA Defensive Player of the Year (2004)
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[kennethgriffin]

Pau Gasol in the 2010 NBA Finals > Kawhi Leonard, and Iggy in the NBA Finals.

i dont see how that could be true. considering they were given the award for putting up gasol type scoring numbers while also shutting down the other teams best player


gasol wasnt a defensive stopper shutting down the leagues "best player" according to critics


which is why kawhi and iggy were awarded the finals mvp over top of their teams established superstars

[Hey Yo]

oh please


that guy was a shell of his former self. and his former self was basically a one hit wonder in 2004

thats like me listing shaq for lebrons help

Yet you use Boozer who wasn't an all-star with Cleveland and only played 1yr with James.

Hughes was in a contract year when Cavs signed him. Broke his finger in January and never recovered his shooting touch. His game went straight down hill and for every team he played with after that.

Z was a shell of his former self in 2007.

Mo Williams was a last minute replacement in the all-star game (he was closest player to the arena and could get there on time)

[Dr Hawk]

You have a loosely based definition of legend


To me its top 50


Paus around 85-90

85 players better than Pau? Nah

He is Top 50

[Dr Hawk]

I love Pau , but this shit is laughable.

Is it?

2x NBA Champion
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[kennethgriffin]

[QUOTE=Dr Hawk]Is it?

2x NBA Champion
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