What's better - 10 more ppg or 2 more defensive rebs

[Bless Mathews]

Illegal defense though

How was that game you little sissy boy?

Did you see the throw where kap overthrew his receiver by like 20 yards and hit the equipment dude. ?

You s a ho.

A sucka.

Mj da goat of all goats and you a little bitch ass ho.

[choppermagic]

The answer to the question is whatever you team needs. If you team is loaded with scoring, you can help out more with assists, rebounds. If there is a lack of scoring, then you pick up that area. Magic is a great example. Assists, getting people involved was more important than scoring 30ppg, but he could also score when he wanted to.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Less fouls per game = better defense

[3ball]

[COLOR="Navy"]When you see MJ with higher shooting volume at equal efficiency, that means he's doing exactly what Lebron is doing, but he's doing a lot more OF IT.. Apply that concept to the per 100 stats of everyone below (playoffs per 100) - since MJ's efficiency is the same, MJ is doing exactly what everyone else is doing, but doing much more OF IT:[/COLOR]


JORDAN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] [COLOR="DarkRed"]43.3 pts.. 32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts[/COLOR].. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk
LEBRON:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 36.5 pts.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk
DURANT:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 35.8 pts.. 25.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 58.3 ts.. 1.2 oreb.. 9.1 dreb.. 4.8 ast.. 4.1 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 1.5 blk
KOBE:[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR] 34.7 pts.. 27.7 fga.. 110 ORtg.. 54.1 ts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk
WADE:[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR] 32.2 pts.. 24.5 fga.. 108 ORtg.. 55.4 ts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk


If these guys could shoot the same efficiency at MJ's higher volume, they would.. But they can't, so everyone's stats are bunched together, while MJ stands all alone at the top - look how much more MJ did.. It's amazing.

[3ball]

[COLOR="Navy"]When you see MJ with higher shooting volume at equal efficiency, that means he's doing exactly what Lebron is doing, but he's doing a lot more OF IT.. Apply that concept to the per 100 stats of everyone below (playoffs per 100) - since MJ's efficiency is the same, MJ is doing exactly what everyone else is doing, but doing much more OF IT:[/COLOR]


JORDAN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] [COLOR="DarkRed"]43.3 pts.. 32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts[/COLOR].. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk
LEBRON:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 36.5 pts.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk
DURANT:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 35.8 pts.. 25.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 58.3 ts.. 1.2 oreb.. 9.1 dreb.. 4.8 ast.. 4.1 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 1.5 blk
KOBE:[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR] 34.7 pts.. 27.7 fga.. 110 ORtg.. 54.1 ts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk
WADE:[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR] 32.2 pts.. 24.5 fga.. 108 ORtg.. 55.4 ts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk


If these guys could shoot the same efficiency at MJ's higher volume, they would.. But they can't, so everyone's stats are bunched together, while MJ stands all alone at the top - look how much more MJ did.. It's amazing.

This idea that Lebron or Durant could've shot more "if they wanted to", and still had the same efficiency, is bullshit and sheer ignorance..

When a player starts shooting high volume, their efficiency will take a hit.. But as the stats show, MJ was the most efficient high volume shooter of all time.

[sdot_thadon]

just for the playoffs, for the metioned years:

defense goes to lebron (especially '13 dpoy), entire miami system was build on lebron's defense. Bonus : lebron also fouled less
lebron 2.5fpg, 3.4 fpg
jordan 3.6fpg 4.0 fpg

lebron has better ortg-drtg in both years
lebron 118-101, 124-105
jordan 115-104, 119-107

efficiency also goes to lebron, by a WIDE margin.
jordan '92 0.49 FG%/57TS% jordan '93 0.45 FG%/55TS%
lebron '13 0.49 FG%/58TS% lebron '13 0.56 FG%/66TS%

also lebron did it against MUCH tougher defenses (DRTG)
lebron: SAS (101), IND (100), CHI (103), MIL (105), SAS (102), IND(99), BRK (107), CHA (104)
jordan: POR(104), CLE( 108), NYK (104), MIA (110), PHX (107), NYK (100), CLE (106), ATL(110)

Other stats such as PER, BPM, VORP, etc are all slightly in lebron's favor.

Jordan usage was much higher 37% & 38% vs lebron's 29% and 31% ... so here is where the scoring discrepancy comes from. Jordan also stat padded 2 more minutes per game.

TLDR lebron is a much more efficient, team-oriented jordan that played in a tougher era.
You mad bro?

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[3ball]

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You guys are clueless - Lebron shot 18 times per game in the 2013 and 2014 playoffs, compared to MJ's 26.4 and 27.8 times per game in 1992 and 1993...

Put your bifocals on and re-read that so it sinks in.. What would you rather have - 10 ppg less from Lebron on slightly better efficiency, or 10 ppg more, on still very good efficiency.

When you see MJ with higher shooting volume at equal efficiency, that means he's doing exactly what Lebron is doing, but he's doing a lot more OF IT.. Apply that concept to the per 100 stats of everyone below (playoffs per 100) - since MJ's efficiency is the same, MJ is doing exactly what everyone else is doing, but doing much more OF IT:


JORDAN:. [COLOR="DarkRed"]43.3 pts.. 32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg[/COLOR].. 56.8 ts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk
DURANT:. 35.8 pts.. 25.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 58.3 ts.. 1.2 oreb.. 9.1 dreb.. 4.8 ast.. 4.1 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 1.5 blk
KOBE:..... 34.7 pts.. 27.7 fga.. 110 ORtg.. 54.1 ts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk
WADE:.... 32.2 pts.. 24.5 fga.. 108 ORtg.. 55.4 ts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk


[COLOR="Navy"]If these guys could shoot the same efficiency at MJ's higher volume, they would[/COLOR].. But they can't, so everyone's stats are bunched together, while MJ stands all alone at the top - look how much more MJ did.. It's amazing.

[Straight_Ballin]

Everyone likes to brag that Lebron led his team in points, rebs, assists and steals on several playoff runs.

However, this isn't a valid argument against Jordan because he did the same, minus the rebounds - and even though he didn't lead in rebounds, he has always gotten more offensive rebounds than Lebron, and also scored 8-10 more ppg than Lebron on those playoff runs.

So what's more important - 8-10 more ppg, or 1-2 more defensive rebounds?.. What would you rather have?


JORDAN 1992 PLAYOFFS: [COLOR="Red"]34.5 ppg[/COLOR].. 1.7 oreb.. [COLOR="Red"]4.5 dreb[/COLOR].. 5.8 apg.. 2.0 spg
JORDAN 1993 PLAYOFFS: [COLOR="Red"]35.1 ppg[/COLOR].. 1.7 oreb.. [COLOR="Red"]5.1 dreb[/COLOR].. 6.0 apg.. 2.1 spg

LEBRON 2013 PLAYOFFS: [COLOR="Blue"]25.9 ppg[/COLOR].. 1.6 oreb.. [COLOR="Blue"]6.8 dreb[/COLOR].. 6.6 apg.. 1.8 spg
LEBRON 2014 PLAYOFFS: [COLOR="Blue"]27.4 ppg[/COLOR].. 0.7 oreb.. [COLOR="Blue"]6.4 dreb[/COLOR].. 4.8 apg.. 1.8 spg

2 rebounds is good for potentially 6 points after converting the rebound into a score. Very unlikely that you get 4 point plays off of fouled 3 point attempts and even so, that's 8 points max.

10 points is greater than all of that.

Also Jordan was a better help defender and lock down defender than everyone on that list.

[sdot_thadon]

You guys are clueless - Lebron shot 18 times per game in the 2013 and 2014 playoffs, compared to MJ's 26.4 and 27.8 times per game in 1992 and 1993...

Put your bifocals on and re-read that so it sinks in.. What would you rather have - 10 ppg less from Lebron on slightly better efficiency, or 10 ppg more, on still very good efficiency.

When you see MJ with higher shooting volume at equal efficiency, that means he's doing exactly what Lebron is doing, but he's doing a lot more OF IT.. Apply that concept to the per 100 stats of everyone below (playoffs per 100) - since MJ's efficiency is the same, MJ is doing exactly what everyone else is doing, but doing much more OF IT:


JORDAN:. [COLOR="DarkRed"]43.3 pts.. 32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg[/COLOR].. 56.8 ts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk
DURANT:. 35.8 pts.. 25.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 58.3 ts.. 1.2 oreb.. 9.1 dreb.. 4.8 ast.. 4.1 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 1.5 blk
KOBE:..... 34.7 pts.. 27.7 fga.. 110 ORtg.. 54.1 ts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk
WADE:.... 32.2 pts.. 24.5 fga.. 108 ORtg.. 55.4 ts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk


[COLOR="Navy"]If these guys could shoot the same efficiency at MJ's higher volume, they would[/COLOR].. But they can't, so everyone's stats are bunched together, while MJ stands all alone at the top - look how much more MJ did.. It's amazing.

Bro, usually when someone takes a full on, open booty shit on your thread within the 1st few responses it indicates a failure of judgment and basic sensibility by the op. I'd advise you to cut your losses at this point. He ruined you.

[3ball]

Bro, usually when someone takes a full on, open booty shit on your thread within the 1st few responses it indicates a failure of judgment and basic sensibility by the op. I'd advise you to cut your losses at this point. He ruined you.

Did you read my post - Lebron shot 18 times per game in the 2013 and 2014 playoffs, compared to MJ's 26 and 28 times per game in 1992 and 1993.. 27 shots per game at 49% is far superior than 18 shots per game at 52%.

You don't realize that if Lebron had the ability to shoot 27 times per game at 50% like MJ, he'd be 6/6, just like MJ.

But keep being happy because your guy took 10 shots less per game.. Obviously, anytime he shot more than that, his efficiency tanked, which is why his overall efficiency is worse than MJ's.. Lebron can't shoot well at high volume, which hurts his team.
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[Straight_Ballin]

Bran stans berate Jordan for getting his father killed. (not true) At least he had a father that gave a shit about him. Where was Lebron's father?

Another loss for Lebron fam.

[3ball]

Bro, usually when someone takes a full on, open booty shit on your thread within the 1st few responses

You think he shitted on the thread because he said Lebron's efficiency was slightly better during those 2 years???.. What a joke:


Efficiency:

Jordan 1992 and 1993 playoffs: 34.8 ppg.. 49% fg.. 27.0 fga
Lebron 2013 and 2014 playoffs: 26.6 ppg.. 52% fg.. 18.0 fga


Which one is better?.. (sidenote: one of them is 6/6, the other is 2/6)..

and btw, MJ won the championship in 1991 and 1993 with a weaker supporting cast than Lebron's 2012 and 2013 rings, according to 538's rankings.. MJ won with less.
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[JohnMax]

Where was Lebron's father?

[Straight_Ballin]

Yep, lebron was riding down south to Miami while his mom was riding West. Bron, mad at West, decided that he would get back at him by finding the biggest loser he could in Miami and hooking that loser up with his mom. He didn't have to look far before coming across Da Real Lambo.

[3ball]

Yep, lebron was riding down south to Miami while his mom was riding West. Bron, mad at West, decided that he would get back at him by finding the biggest loser he could in Miami and hooking that loser up with his mom. He didn't have to look far before coming across Da Real Lambo.