The Reason why The Bulls won 72 games

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^^^ Myth - Pippen was a basic ballhandler, not a pg-level creator.. Pippen's "offense initiation" consisted of tossing the ball to MJ so he could playmake from the post or wing - the offense ran through MJ.. If Pippen was lucky, he'd rack up an assist just by tossing it to MJ, since MJ could score so quick.. That's why there's [COLOR="Navy"]very little footage of Pippen passing highlights or dimes[/COLOR] - he couldn't create off-the-dribble like MJ.

This shouldn't be a surprise - MJ was a guard and the team's best ballhandler and creator, so he handled the ball the most.. Pippen's offense initiation is merely *noticed and pointed out more* because it comes from the forward position, where ballhandling is more of a novelty.

It should be noted that MJ assisted on a higher percentage of teammate FG's during the first and second 3-peat - this is statistical fact.. Again, don't be surprised - MJ was a guard and the teams' best ballhandler/creator, so it was standard.



Pippen's stats during the 1996-1998 playoffs were 17/7/5 on 40.8%... That's horrible specifically because of HOW LONG the bad offense lasted.

For three straight years during the 2nd three-peat, Pippen's overall stats and many playoffs series were the worst of all time for a 2nd option (such as 1996 and 1998 Finals, among many others).. This isn't excusable..



Who cares - Pippen handled the ball far less than MJ because he was a forward and a far worse ballhandler/creator than MJ.. Btw, here's the gap between MJ and Pippen in 1996:

JORDAN IN 1996 PLAYOFFS: 30.7 ppg.. 45.9 fg.. 56.4 ts.. 123 ortg.. 26.7 PER.. 0.306 ws/48
PIPPEN. IN 1996 PLAYOFFS: 16.9 ppg.. 39.0 fg.. 47.3 ts.. 111 ortg.. 19.4 PER.. 0.195 ws/48


[COLOR="Navy"]Also, the stats that measure Pippen's "impact" are irrelevant because they reflect his impact ALONGSIDE Jordan - the calculation of Pippen's impact assumes Jordan's 31 ppg on 47% is already in place as the foundation of the offense.. Without MJ's goat production setting the foundation for the offense, Pippen's impact would be much different[/COLOR].. This is just one of the reasons impact stats like VORP and BPM are garbage and result in crazy determinations - i.e. Baron Davis has higher BPM than Kareem, Duncan, and Shaq.. Drexler has higher VORP than Shaq and Duncan... Horry and Hornacek > Ewing, Durant and CP3.... and on, and on, and on.. There are more of these than actual correct assessments.

Also, offensive rebounds aren't shown above, but Pippen's are really high, and high offensive rebounding rate significantly increases a team's ORtg because of the extra possession - this is statistical fact.. So Pippen's great scavenger ability artificially increases his impact stats.. He needs the offensive rebounds too because he can't shoot!!!... He's a horrible shooter, which is why he was frequently anemic offensively.





More ****ing excuses for potty pippen... unbelievable.. it sounds so weak..

Btw, the reason why PER "doesn't like" Pippen, is because he CAN'T SHOOT!!!!.. Mechanical, stone hands touch... Not as bad as Dwight Howard, but not far off..

Look at his stats during the 2nd three-peat at the higher competition level (playoffs) - they're horrible - many of his series FOR THREE STRAIGHT YEARS were literally the worst of all time for a 2nd option.



But Pippen was a defensive specialist... Anyone who shoots 34% in Finals but plays good defense, is a defensive specialist.. So it's easier for him focus on defense when there's zero burden or standard for him to play to on offense.

Look at Pippen's playoff stats from the 2nd three-peat - he was NOT an elite offensive player, or anywhere near - he couldn't shoot!!!!.. Again, he had mechanical stone hands, not a soft touch.

Pippen's horrible offense is why MJ had more clutch moments during that 2nd three-peat than any other player has in their entire careers.. He had to carry that team repeatedly... Who cares about the occasional big game from some supporting cast member.. [COLOR="Navy"]Jordan's AVERAGES tower above his teammates more than any other star player[/COLOR].



Again, the stats that measure Pippen's "impact" will reflect his impact alongside MJ - the calculation of Pippen's impact assumes Jordan's 31 ppg on 47% is already in place as the foundation of the offense.. Without MJ's goat production setting the foundation for the offense, Pippen's impact would be much different..

Get it?... So those stats are garbage, and that's why they result in crazy determinations - i.e. Baron Davis has higher BPM than Kareem, Hakeem, Duncan.. Drexler has higher VORP than Shaq and Duncan... Horry and Hornacek > Ewing, Durant and CP3.... and on, and on, and on.. There are more of these than actual correct assessments.

[COLOR="DarkGreen"]Also, VORP and BPM are based on the very box score stats like ts% and ppg that you've been trying to downplay for Pippen because they're so horrible.. You're stats are simply wrong and can't be used to compare players[/COLOR].

Can you rewrite this without doing something stupid like comparing Pippen and Jordan?

Thanks! Also can you read up on stats before you make stupid comments? Oh and cite the versions used so if I get drunk tonight and want to argue with stupid comments I'll not have to look all over to find where you're making stuff up from?

Thanks!

Oh yeah, and when you rewrite it, can you not repeat what I already said but write it in an argument style as if I hadn't already said it?

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Love this guy's posts. Those gifs pretty much back up everything he said...Same guy with the SAME crossover, but Pippen couldn't stay with him.

Good grief Jordan was quick in that gif...

I see pippen getting beat with no help defender and I see Jordan getting beat with a help defender....

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I see pippen getting beat with no help defender and I see Jordan getting beat with a help defender....

That's exactly what I see. And its one play in game that started out as a blowout.

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Love this guy's posts. Those gifs pretty much back up everything he said...Same guy with the SAME crossover, but Pippen couldn't stay with him.

Good grief Jordan was quick in that gif...

It was one play. Good grief. So if I post a clip of Jordan missing a shot it means hes not a great scorer???? What kind of ignorant shit is this????

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Love this guy's posts. Those gifs pretty much back up everything he said...Same guy with the SAME crossover, but Pippen couldn't stay with him.

Good grief Jordan was quick in that gif...

Yep, Jordan had amazing foot speed on defense.