Can one of you PER guys explain how BRAWN's PER was higher than Wade's in 09?

[Akhenaten]

Wade: 30/7.5/5 on 49.1/31.7/76.5 2.2 stls 1.3 blk

BRAWN: 28.4/7.2/7.6 on 48.9/34.4/78 1.7 stls, 1.1 blk

More points, ast, stls, blks and shot better from the field


How is this stuff calculated? I'm assuming defensive rebounds are heavily weighted

[JebronLames]

Wade: 30/7.5/5 on 49.1/31.7/76.5 2.2 stls 1.3 blk

BRAWN: 28.4/7.2/7.6 on 48.9/34.4/78 1.7 stls, 1.1 blk

More points, ast, stls, blks and shot better from the field


How is this stuff calculated? I'm assuming defensive rebounds areheavily weighted

TS% and probably fewer turnovers

[Young X]

Lebron did it in less minutes and was more efficient (better FT shooting/less turnovers).

[kennethgriffin]

they invented PER to favour lebron


they made it so each extra rebound and assist is like having 5-6 more ppg or some shit


its ridiculous

[SpaceJam]

Wade was robbed.

[sdot_thadon]

Per basketball reference:

All calculations begin with what I am calling unadjusted PER (uPER). The formula is:

uPER = (1 / MP) *
[ 3P
+ (2/3) * AST
+ (2 - factor * (team_AST / team_FG)) * FG
+ (FT *0.5 * (1 + (1 - (team_AST / team_FG)) + (2/3) * (team_AST / team_FG)))
- VOP * TOV
- VOP * DRB% * (FGA - FG)
- VOP * 0.44 * (0.44 + (0.56 * DRB%)) * (FTA - FT)
+ VOP * (1 - DRB%) * (TRB - ORB)
+ VOP * DRB% * ORB
+ VOP * STL
+ VOP * DRB% * BLK
- PF * ((lg_FT / lg_PF) - 0.44 * (lg_FTA / lg_PF) * VOP) ]
Most of the terms in the formula above should be clear, but let me define the less obvious ones:

factor = (2 / 3) - (0.5 * (lg_AST / lg_FG)) / (2 * (lg_FG / lg_FT))
VOP = lg_PTS / (lg_FGA - lg_ORB + lg_TOV + 0.44 * lg_FTA)
DRB% = (lg_TRB - lg_ORB) / lg_TRB

[dubeta]

they invented PER to favour lebron


they made it so each extra rebound and assist is like having 5-6 more ppg or some shit


its ridiculous

LeBron averages more PPG than Kobe in the regular season, playoffs, and finals


Even if you take out rebounds and assists he would still have a higher PER

[dubeta]

To answer OP, its cause Wade was ball dominant with a High Usage, turning everyone into spot up shooters to get his stats


LeBron did his damage in the flow of the game, hence a higher PER

[kennethgriffin]

LeBron averages more PPG than Kobe in the regular season, playoffs, and finals


Even if you take out rebounds and assists he would still have a higher PER

lebron is the ultimate regular season player

his regular season dominance reminds me of wilt in a way


not quite as good obviously. but the expectations of both players based on their great PERs during the laid back easy going part of the year had everyone thinking both guys would end up the GOAT




















and then they both go 2 for 6 and thats the end of that




owell





and kobes ppg is basically identical to lebrons as a starter

[Marchesk]

Per basketball reference:

All calculations begin with what I am calling unadjusted PER (uPER). The formula is:

uPER = (1 / MP) *
[ 3P
+ (2/3) * AST
+ (2 - factor * (team_AST / team_FG)) * FG
+ (FT *0.5 * (1 + (1 - (team_AST / team_FG)) + (2/3) * (team_AST / team_FG)))
- VOP * TOV
- VOP * DRB% * (FGA - FG)
- VOP * 0.44 * (0.44 + (0.56 * DRB%)) * (FTA - FT)
+ VOP * (1 - DRB%) * (TRB - ORB)
+ VOP * DRB% * ORB
+ VOP * STL
+ VOP * DRB% * BLK
- PF * ((lg_FT / lg_PF) - 0.44 * (lg_FTA / lg_PF) * VOP) ]
Most of the terms in the formula above should be clear, but let me define the less obvious ones:

factor = (2 / 3) - (0.5 * (lg_AST / lg_FG)) / (2 * (lg_FG / lg_FT))
VOP = lg_PTS / (lg_FGA - lg_ORB + lg_TOV + 0.44 * lg_FTA)
DRB% = (lg_TRB - lg_ORB) / lg_TRB

Finally, proof that Lebron > Kobe

[dubeta]

lebron is the ultimate regular season player

I just said LeBron gets better stats, in the regular season, playoffs, and finals and this idiot talks about lebron being a regular season player

[kennethgriffin]

I just said LeBron gets better stats, in the regular season, playoffs, and finals and this idiot talks about lebron being a regular season player

and i just said




and then they both go 2 for 6 and thats the end of that




owell

[Akhenaten]

All calculations begin with what I am calling unadjusted PER (uPER). The formula is:

uPER = (1 / MP) *
[ 3P
+ (2/3) * AST
+ (2 - factor * (team_AST / team_FG)) * FG
+ (FT *0.5 * (1 + (1 - (team_AST / team_FG)) + (2/3) * (team_AST / team_FG)))
- VOP * TOV
- VOP * DRB% * (FGA - FG)
- VOP * 0.44 * (0.44 + (0.56 * DRB%)) * (FTA - FT)
+ VOP * (1 - DRB%) * (TRB - ORB)
+ VOP * DRB% * ORB
+ VOP * STL
+ VOP * DRB% * BLK
- PF * ((lg_FT / lg_PF) - 0.44 * (lg_FTA / lg_PF) * VOP) ]
Most of the terms in the formula above should be clear, but let me define the less obvious ones:

factor = (2 / 3) - (0.5 * (lg_AST / lg_FG)) / (2 * (lg_FG / lg_FT))
VOP = lg_PTS / (lg_FGA - lg_ORB + lg_TOV + 0.44 * lg_FTA)
DRB% = (lg_TRB - lg_ORB) / lg_TRB

[dhsilv]

TS% and rebounding plus slightly lower turnover rate were slightly offsetting the assists and higher usage (usage generally is a pro in the PER calculation). Also interest is that wade had better steal/block stats that year. does somewhat suprise me the gap but the stats do favor lebron at a glance.

[Akhenaten]

TS% and rebounding plus slightly lower turnover rate were slightly offsetting the assists and higher usage (usage generally is a pro in the PER calculation). Also interest is that wade had better steal/block stats that year. does somewhat suprise me the gap but the stats do favor lebron at a glance.

How is usage calculated, how much/long you possess the ball or how much you shoot/assist it?

This stuff is just sooo convoluted, PER takes already convoluted data (TS% etc.) and convolutes it exponentially.

How is this stuff germane to ANYTHING that happens on a basketball court?

The calculations and values are completely arbitrary and subject to the particular biases on the creator, PER isnt a "stat" at all it's a mathematical theorem.