LeBron should have been the MVP in 2006

[knicksman]

Bran already have 4 mvps despite being just 2/6. Ungrateful bran stans

[3ball]

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[COLOR="Blue"]Lebron achieves his APG by significantly lowering the APG and assist % of his teammates:[/COLOR]


[COLOR="Green"]Wade apg and assist % before Lebron (04'-10'):[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 6.6, 34.8% [/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Wade apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] Lebron (11'-14'):[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 4.7, 25.5% [/COLOR]

[COLOR="Green"]Irving apg and assist % before Lebron (12'-14'):[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 5.8, 33.2%[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Irving apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR] Lebron (2015):[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 5.2, 25.0%[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Green"]Bosh apg and assist % before Lebron (04'-10'):[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 2.2, 10.5%[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Bosh apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] Lebron (11'-14'):[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 1.6, [COLOR="White"].[/COLOR]8.0% [/COLOR]

[COLOR="Green"]Kevin Love apg and assist % in MIN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 2.5, 13.0%[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Kevin Love apg and assist % in CLE:[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 2.2, 10.7%[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Green"]Mo Williams apg and assist % before Lebron:[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 6.3, 30.0%[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Mo Williams apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] Lebron:[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 4.1, 20.1%[/COLOR]

FYI...

[COLOR="Green"]Pippen apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] Jordan 91'-93':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 6.5, 24.5[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Pippen apg and assist % w/out Jordan 94'-95':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 5.4, 23.7[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Green"]Pippen apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] Jordan 96'-98':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 5.8, 25.1[/COLOR]


It's bad enough that Lebron reduces his teammates' APG (playmaking), but he also increases their assisted rate (play-finishing)!!!... Therefore, it's statistical fact that Lebron turns teammates from playmakers into play-finishers.

Unfortunately, his teammates' predictable play-finishing roles don't work against the best playoff teams - since teammates are playing undercapacity, the TEAM plays undercapacity/underperforms (i.e. losing as the favorite in 2009 ECF, 2010 ECSF, and 2011 Finals, or losing when it was 50/50 - 2014 Finals).

That's the difference between 2/6 and 6/6.. MJ got the most out of his teammates (elevates teammates), while Lebron doesn't (he turns them into play-finishers).

Now the question is WHY SPECIFICALLY does Lebron turn teammates into play-finishers?.. The reason is twofold.
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[Lebron23]

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[COLOR="Blue"]Lebron achieves his APG by significantly lowering the APG and assist % of his teammates:[/COLOR]


[COLOR="Green"]Wade apg and assist % before Lebron (04'-10'):[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 6.6, 34.8% [/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Wade apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] Lebron (11'-14'):[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 4.7, 25.5% [/COLOR]

[COLOR="Green"]Irving apg and assist % before Lebron (12'-14'):[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 5.8, 33.2[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Irving apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR] Lebron (2015):[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 5.2, 25.0%[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Green"]Bosh apg and assist % before Lebron (04'-10'):[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 2.2, 10.5%[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Bosh apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] Lebron (11'-14'):[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 1.6, [COLOR="White"].[/COLOR]8.0% [/COLOR]

[COLOR="Green"]Kevin Love apg and assist % in MIN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 2.5, 13.0%[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Kevin Love apg and assist % in CLE:[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 2.2, 10.7%[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Green"]Mo Williams apg and assist % before Lebron:[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 6.3, 30.0%[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Mo Williams apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] Lebron:[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 4.1, 20.1%[/COLOR]

FYI...

[COLOR="Green"]Pippen apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] Jordan 91'-93':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 6.5, 24.5[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Pippen apg and assist % w/out Jordan 94'-95':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 5.4, 23.7[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Green"]Pippen apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] Jordan 96'-98':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 5.8, 25.1[/COLOR]


It's bad enough that Lebron reduces his teammates' APG (playmaking), but he also increases their assisted rate (play-finishing)!!!... Therefore, it's statistical fact that Lebron turns teammates from playmakers into play-finishers.. With this new understanding, we can explain the playoff underperformance of Lebron's teammates and teams:

Lebron minimizes teammates into predictable, play-finishing roles that no longer succeed against the best teams in the playoffs - since teammates can't play to capacity in these roles and underperform, the TEAM can't play to capacity and underperforms (i.e. losing as the favorite in 2009 ECF, 2010 ECSF, and 2011 Finals, or losing when it was 50/50 - 2014 Finals).

Now the question is WHY SPECIFICALLY does Lebron turn teammates into play-finishers (thus preventing them from playing to capacity against the best teams)?.. The reason is twofold.

Get that weak stuff out of here.

[SouBeachTalents]

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[COLOR="Blue"]Lebron achieves his APG by significantly lowering the APG and assist % of his teammates:[/COLOR]


[COLOR="Green"]Wade apg and assist % before Lebron (04'-10'):[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 6.6, 34.8% [/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Wade apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] Lebron (11'-14'):[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 4.7, 25.5% [/COLOR]

[COLOR="Green"]Irving apg and assist % before Lebron (12'-14'):[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 5.8, 33.2%[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Irving apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR] Lebron (2015):[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 5.2, 25.0%[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Green"]Bosh apg and assist % before Lebron (04'-10'):[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 2.2, 10.5%[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Bosh apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] Lebron (11'-14'):[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 1.6, [COLOR="White"].[/COLOR]8.0% [/COLOR]

[COLOR="Green"]Kevin Love apg and assist % in MIN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 2.5, 13.0%[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Kevin Love apg and assist % in CLE:[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 2.2, 10.7%[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Green"]Mo Williams apg and assist % before Lebron:[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 6.3, 30.0%[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Mo Williams apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] Lebron:[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 4.1, 20.1%[/COLOR]

FYI...

[COLOR="Green"]Pippen apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] Jordan 91'-93':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 6.5, 24.5[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]Pippen apg and assist % w/out Jordan 94'-95':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 5.4, 23.7[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Green"]Pippen apg and assist % with[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] Jordan 96'-98':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 5.8, 25.1[/COLOR]


It's bad enough that Lebron reduces his teammates' APG (playmaking), but he also increases their assisted rate (play-finishing)!!!... Therefore, it's statistical fact that Lebron turns teammates from playmakers into play-finishers.. With this new understanding, we can explain the playoff underperformance of Lebron's teammates and teams:

Lebron minimizes teammates into predictable, play-finishing roles that no longer succeed against the best teams in the playoffs - since teammates can't play to capacity in these roles and underperform, the TEAM can't play to capacity and underperforms (i.e. losing as the favorite in 2009 ECF, 2010 ECSF, and 2011 Finals, or losing when it was 50/50 - 2014 Finals).

Now the question is WHY SPECIFICALLY does Lebron turn teammates into play-finishers (thus preventing them from playing to capacity against the best teams)?.. The reason is twofold.
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I'm sure Bosh, Kyrie & Love would gladly trade in a whopping half an assist a game to experience postseason success, something they had no part of before playing with LeBron

[masonanddixon]

No he shouldn't have. Dirk, Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, Wade, and Nash were all better.

Dirk should have won MVP.

[Gileraracer]

Therefore he got Melos rookie of the year award

[Dresta]

OP has mental difficulties.

Kobe should've won in 06.

[3ball]

I'm sure Bosh, Kyrie & Love would gladly trade in a whopping half an assist a game to experience postseason success, something they had no part of before playing with LeBron

Bosh's playoff success was due to Wade, not just Lebron - they had a stacked team.

Regarding Kyrie and Love - again, those two guys were all-star players who played together for the first time - so it wasn't just Lebron - the Cavs success was due to having a stacked team.

But who cares because you're missing the point: Lebron doesn't compare to MJ because he minimizes teammates into predictable play-finishing roles that don't work against the best playoff teams - since teammates are playing undercapacity, the TEAM plays undercapacity/underperforms..

That's the difference between 2/6 and 6/6.. MJ got the most out of his teammates (elevates teammates), while Lebron doesn't (he turns them into play-finishers).

[pastis]

Dirk Nowitzki 2006

Winning 60 Games
led the league in Win Shares,
led the league in Win Shares Per 48 Minutes,
led the league in Offensive Win Shares, Offensive Rating and Player Efficiency Rating
7th in Points Per Game, 17th in Defensive Win Shares, 6th Defensive Rebounds, 14th in Total Rebounds, 16th in Rebounds per game, 7th in Value Over Replacement Player.
Stats: 26.6 PTS, 9.0 TRB, 1.0 BLK, 2.8 AST, 0.7 STL, 48.0 FG%, 40.6 3PT%, 90.1 FT%.

[GrapeApe]

Bosh's playoff success was due to Wade, not just Lebron - they had a stacked team.

Regarding Kyrie and Love - again, those two guys were all-star players who played together for the first time - so it wasn't just Lebron - their success was due to having a stacked team all year long (Kyrie, Love, Mosgov, Tristan, JR Smith, Shumpert, Delly - that's a stacked team).

But who cares because you're missing the point: Lebron doesn't compare to MJ because he turns teammates into predictable play-finishers - their predictable play-finishing roles causes them to play undercapacity/underperform against the best playoff teams, which causes the TEAM to play undercapacity/underperform..

That's the difference between 2/6 and 6/6.. MJ got the most out of his teammates (elevates teammates), while Lebron doesn't (he turns them into play-finishers).

No, I'm pretty sure you're the one missing the point since Jordan has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. Did Jordan play in 2006? If the answer to that question is no, there's no reason whatsoever to bring him up.

As far as I'm concerned, the MVP award jumped the shark in 2005 and 2006. Nash had no business winning those awards. Lebron certainly had a case in 2006 as did a few others. I'd have given it to Dirk. It's still hard to comprehend how Nash has the same amount of MVP's as Shaq, Kobe, and Wade combined.

[ImKobe]

Suns were missing Amare, their 2nd best player

big reason why Nash got his 2nd MVP

So Lebron won 5 more games than Kobe's team with a better roster in a worse conference, 2 less than Wade and he deserved the MVP? Kobe was chucking it 27 times a game and still was as efficient as Bron

even AI was putting up 33 ppg 7 apg

[SexSymbol]

Either Kobe or Dirk should've been the MVP.
LeBron should've been 3rd-4th with Nash

[Kawhi]

This is what it took for a perimiter player to win MVP in the 60s:

31.4 ppg, 11.3 apg, 9.9 rpg, 55-25

You mean when a pace of 115.9 was considered below average?

[raprap]

I thought kobe deserved it tbh but i dont have a problem with nash winning it.

[ArbitraryWater]

50 wins in the East back then was easy. It was the Heat and Pistons and that's it.

so only 2 other teams winning 50 games leads to your assumption of it being easy?

I like how your brain works!

Anyway, Dirk should have won it.