MJ is the only all-time great that led team in scoring for every series of career

[3ball]

Curry > Jordan

Unlike players in today's 3-point-happy league, Jordan didn't have teammates spreading the floor for him - teams only attempted 5 threes per game when Jordan won his first ring in 1991, compared to 25 attempts per game for today's teams.. Accordingly, his stats would explode in today's spaced-out game.

Just look at Lebron and Westbrook - Jordan has same or better athleticism, but they can't shoot, while he had goat midrange efficiency, much better than Curry's.

Essentially, MJ had Lebron/Westbrook's athleticism combined with Curry's goat shooting ability..

[SouBeachTalents]

[KobesFinger]

Those are bad shots anyway. Sure he makes them but you don't want players deliberately shooting over people, its bad basketball.

[AirBonner]

According to Madonna Pippen's LOAD was greater than Jordan's. What are your thoughts on that 3ball?

[oarabbus]

Here's some jumpshots that Curry can't make:











[COLOR="Red"]Ultimately, 2-pointers are more CONTESTED, so eras that shot more 2-pointers produced better players - this is why Shaq was 10th in MVP voting in 1996, compared to Kyle Lowry in 2016 - can you say "watered down"??[/COLOR]

Awful shots. Jordan would get benched after getting knocked to the floor and the ball sent into the stands taking those garbage shots against today's vastly improved defenses.

Plus, Jordan can't make any jumpshots Curry can make - he's a poor imitation of Curry at best.

[3ball]

against today's vastly improved defenses

The paint would be wide open in today's game because the 3-point shooting draws defenders to the perimeter.

So Jordan wouldn't NEED to take those shots in today's game, which is why today's game and players are shit.

For example - Shaq was 10th in MVP voting in 1996, compared to Kyle Lowry today - that's super-watered down.. The real reason it's so watered down is because 2-pointers are more CONTESTED, so eras that shot more 2-pointers produced better players.

Plus, Jordan can't make any jumpshots Curry can make

Curry makes mostly open shots - this is a FACT:

The NBA tracks all player movement and their data shows that 70% of Curry's 3-pointers are "open" (4-6 feet from closest defender), or "very open" (6+ feet).

Scroll down to the 5th data set titled "closest defender" to see the data yourself:

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/20193...gular%20Season

Jordan is a poor imitation of Curry at best.

Don't be surprised that most of Curry's 3-pointers are wide open - today's drive-and-kick offenses require 3-4 players standing behind the line on every play (spacing), so the defense is stretched out and can't make timely rotations most of the time.. Curry's 3-pointers are actually less open than the rest of the league - over 80% of the league's 3-pointers are "open" or "very open", compared to Curry's aforementioned 70%.

Ultimately, today's teams use offensive schemes that maximize 3-point looks, so players shoot 3-pointers easier than ever before - specifically, driving and kicking for 3-pointers wasn't common or the staple of ANY team's offense until about 10 years ago.. Guys like Reggie Miller and Larry Bird had to run off screens for more of their 3-point looks - they didn't get to stand there and wait for kickouts as often as today's player.
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[oarabbus]

Ultimately, today's teams use offensive schemes that maximize 3-point looks, so players shoot 3-pointers easier than ever before - specifically, driving and kicking for 3-pointers wasn't common or the staple of ANY team's offense until about 10 years ago.. Guys like Reggie Miller and Larry Bird had to run off screens for more of their 3-point looks - they didn't get to stand there and wait for kickouts as often as today's player.
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We already know that the game has advanced and the 90s were a bit backwards when it came to offensive (and defensive) schemes, 3ball. At least we can say that Jordan, even if the overall inferior player, was a better 2-legged dunker than Steph.

[Ben Simmons]

Curry > Jordan

[3ball]

the 90s were a bit backwards when it came to schemes, 3ball.

Now that teams have sufficient 3-point shooting personnel to drive-and-kick for 3-pointers (as opposed to 2-pointers), the drive-and-kick format has become more efficient than the post-up format.. This proves that the decline in post-ups is due to higher efficiency drive-and-kick made possible by 3-pointers, not defensive tactics.. In the absence of 3-pointers, no amount of defensive strategy could prevent post-ups from supplanting drive-and-kick..

Since post-ups, mid-range, off-ball and isolations were the only things left in the 80's without the 3-pointers needed to make drive-and-kick worthwhile, we can say with certainty that many of today's elite players would be lesser players back then - their 3-and-D skill sets exclude elite ability in any of the aforementioned areas.

At least we can say that Jordan was a better 2-legged dunker than Steph.

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Jordan also shot FAR better than Curry inside 20 feet, on 6 times the volume:[/COLOR]

[COLOR="White"].....................[/COLOR]MJ 1997[COLOR="White"]...................[/COLOR]Curry 2015[COLOR="White"]............ [/COLOR]Curry 2016 [COLOR="DarkGreen"]<--- link to nba.com data[/COLOR]

5-9 ft.......... 49.2%, 126 fga........... 40.3%, 72 fga.......... 48.6%, 72 fga

10-14 ft....... 51.5%, 466 fga........... 52.9%, 85 fga.......... 50.9%, 57 fga

15-19 ft....... 49.5%, 594 fga........... 43.9%, 132 fga........ 37.3%, 102 fga



Overall midrange % (all shots inside the 3-point line but outside the paint)

JORDAN 1997:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 49.3%, 1202 fga
CURRY[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 2015:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 41.1%, 285 fga
CURRY[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 2016:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 42.5%, 200 fga

Interestingly, good shooting isn't needed to be a top scorer in today's game - Lebron, Westbrook, Wade, Derozan and Butler all have poor 3-point AND midrange efficiency for most of their careers, yet they're still top scorers because today's wide open spacing and hands-off defense allows athletic players easier access to the rim than ever before.

Today's spacing and hands-off defense would benefit MJ's athleticism the same way, except he had the goat midrange efficiency shown above, which would put him in Curry's category as a goat shooter, and give him a similarly massive advantage over the aforementioned non-shooters Lebron, Westbrick and company.
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[oarabbus]

Now that teams have sufficient 3-point shooting personnel to drive-and-kick for 3-pointers (as opposed to 2-pointers), the drive-and-kick format has become more efficient than the post-up format.. This proves that the decline in post-ups is due to higher efficiency drive-and-kick made possible by 3-pointers, not defensive tactics.. In the absence of 3-pointers, no amount of defensive strategy could prevent post-ups from supplanting drive-and-kick..

Since post-ups, mid-range, off-ball and isolations were the only things left in the 80's without the 3-pointers needed to make drive-and-kick worthwhile, we can say with certainty that many of today's elite players would be lesser players back then - their 3-and-D skill sets exclude elite ability in any of the aforementioned areas.




[COLOR="DarkRed"]Jordan also shot FAR better than Curry inside 20 feet, on 6 times the volume:[/COLOR]

[COLOR="White"].....................[/COLOR]MJ 1997[COLOR="White"]...................[/COLOR]Curry 2015[COLOR="White"]............ [/COLOR]Curry 2016 [COLOR="DarkGreen"]<--- link to nba.com data[/COLOR]

5-9 ft.......... 49.2%, 126 fga........... 40.3%, 72 fga.......... 48.6%, 72 fga

10-14 ft....... 51.5%, 466 fga........... 52.9%, 85 fga.......... 50.9%, 57 fga

15-19 ft....... 49.5%, 594 fga........... 43.9%, 132 fga........ 37.3%, 102 fga



Overall midrange % (all shots inside the 3-point line but outside the paint)

JORDAN 1997:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 49.3%, 1202 fga
CURRY[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 2015:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 41.1%, 285 fga
CURRY[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 2016:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 42.5%, 200 fga

Interestingly, good shooting isn't needed to be a top scorer in today's game - Lebron, Westbrook, Wade, Derozan and Butler all have poor 3-point AND midrange efficiency for most of their careers, yet they're still top scorers because today's wide open spacing and hands-off defense allows athletic players easier access to the rim than ever before.

Today's spacing and hands-off defense would benefit MJ's athleticism the same way, except he had the goat midrange efficiency shown above, which would put him in Curry's category as a goat shooter, and gave him a similarly massive advantage over the aforementioned non-shooters Lebron, Westbrick and company.

3ball dropping truth about why the 90s were an inferior era on the offensive end

Good post. The level of shooting and spacing in the 90s was atrocious.

[AirBonner]

3ball dropping truth about why the 90s were an inferior era on the offensive end

Good post. The level of shooting and spacing in the 90s was atrocious.

This. The schemes and plays back then are typical of modern day playground basketball.

[3ball]

3ball dropping truth about why the 90s were an inferior era on the offensive end

[COLOR="darkRed"]Offense is easier WITH spacing - therefore, players that excel WITHOUT spacing (previous eras) were better players.[/COLOR]

Jordan would get benched after taking those tough shots against today's vastly improved defenses.

Those Jordan gifs showed overcrowded paints - but in today's game, the paint would be wide open because the 3-point shooting draws defenders to the perimeter.

The wide open paint means Jordan wouldn't NEED to take those shots in today's game, which is why today's game and players are shit - the spacing makes offense too easy for players - Jordan wouldn't need to resort to hangtime, dipsy-doo shots anymore.

It's just watered down now - for example, Shaq was 10th in MVP voting in 1996, compared to Kyle Lowry today.. The real reason it's so watered down is because 2-pointers are more CONTESTED, so eras that shot more 2-pointers produced better players.

The level of shooting and spacing in the 90s was atrocious.

[COLOR="Navy"]Without 3-point shooting to draw defenders out of the paint, the paint is too crowded and penetration is physically impossible - Jordan is forced to pull-up from midrange:
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[COLOR="Navy"]You pretty much never see paints like this in today's game, where the player has NO CHOICE put to pull-up from midrange... Instead, 3-point shooters clear the lane of defenders, so players have easy access to the lane... Guys like Grant Hill, Penny and Jordan would see their stats EXPLODE in today's spacing.
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And Grant Hill's sub-par shooting would fit in PERFECTLY in today's game - Lebron, Westbrook, Wade, Derozan and Butler have poor 3-point and midrange efficiency for most of their careers, but they're still the top wing scorers because today's wide open spacing and hands-off defense allows good athletes easier access to the rim than ever before.. The spacing and hands-off defense would benefit Hill and Jordan athleticism the same way - except Jordan had GOAT midrange efficiency, which puts him in Curry's category as a goat shooter, and gives him a similarly massive advantage over non-shooters Lebron, Westbrook, Hill and company.

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[KobesFinger]

Wait, how can today's defences be out on the perimeter guarding the 3 point shot but 70% of shots are open? Something doesn't add up

[3ball]

Wait, how can today's defences be out on the perimeter guarding the 3 point shot but 70% of shots are open? Something doesn't add up

It's the NBA's own data.. But don't be surprised that most of Curry's 3-pointers are wide open - today's drive-and-kick offenses require 3-4 players standing behind the line on every play (spacing), so the defense is stretched out and can't make timely rotations most of the time.. Curry's 3-pointers are actually less open than the rest of the league - over 80% of the league's 3-pointers are "open" or "very open", compared to Curry's aforementioned 70%.

Ultimately, today's teams use offensive schemes that maximize 3-point looks, so players shoot 3-pointers easier than ever before - specifically, driving and kicking for 3-pointers wasn't common or the staple of ANY team's offense until about 10 years ago.. Guys like Reggie Miller and Larry Bird had to run off screens for more of their 3-point looks - they didn't get to stand there and wait for kickouts as often as today's player.

But the MAIN takeaway from this data is that 2-pointers are more CONTESTED, so eras that shot more 2-pointers produced better players - this is why Shaq was 10th in MVP voting in 1996, compared to Kyle Lowry in 2016 - can you say "watered down"??

[Smoke117]

Can't you see that nobody is even humoring your post anymore? This gimmick is played out...get a new one.