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    Default Re: MJ is the only all-time great that led team in scoring for every series of career

    Quote Originally Posted by Hey Yo

    3ball boosting MJ's stats again

    Against Miami - 30.2/8/2.6

    MJ shot 41.5% against Seattle, not 42%

    22/7/7. James avg. 7 assists, not 6.

    He has no problem rounding up MJ's 41.5% to 42 yet LeBron's 6.8ast in 2007 becomes 6.0. Plus he always refers to LeBron shooting 39.8% in last seasons Finals but not 40% like he would for if it were MJ.
    So you're complaining that I rounded up Jordan's 41.7% to 42, and made a small memory error about Lebron assist average (6 vs. 7)..

    The point remains - Jordan averaged 32/8/3 on 38.7%, and he also averaged 27/5/4 on 42% in 1996 Finals.. That's excellent compared to Lebron's 22/6/7 on 36% in 2007 Finals, or 18 ppg in 2011 Finals.. So Jordan's worst playoff series were far better than Lebron's worst.

    This shouldn't be surprising, since Jordan's overall averages showed a 5.5 ppg scoring edge in the playoffs with better efficiency across the board (TS, FG, ORtg), including superior clutch.. This is far more valuable than Lebron's 2.5 def rebound edge (with less offensive rebounds) and 1.0 assist edge (with more turnovers).

    Remember that Jordan led his team in passing - he Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats - so Jordan's goat scoring load, team-leading passing, and best-ever defense at his position is the goat performance and biggest load ever carried.
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    Default Re: MJ is the only all-time great that led team in scoring for every series of career

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ball
    So you're complaining that I rounded up Jordan's 41.7% to 42, and made a small memory error about Lebron assist average (6 vs. 7)..
    41.5%

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...-vs-bulls.html

    The point remains - Jordan averaged 32/8/3 on 38.7%, and he also averaged 27/5/4 on 42% in 1996 Finals
    30.2 / 2

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...-vs-bulls.html

    You have no problem rounding up MJ's 41.5% to 42 yet LeBron's 6.8ast in 2007 becomes 6.0. Plus you always refer to LeBron shooting 39.8% in last seasons Finals but not 40% like he would for if it were MJ.

    Busted AGAIN, Chico.
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    Default Re: MJ is the only all-time great that led team in scoring for every series of career

    Quote Originally Posted by Hey Yo
    41.5%

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...-vs-bulls.html


    30.2 / 2

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...-vs-bulls.html

    You have no problem rounding up MJ's 41.5% to 42 yet LeBron's 6.8ast in 2007 becomes 6.0. Plus you always refer to LeBron shooting 39.8% in last seasons Finals but not 40% like he would for if it were MJ.

    Busted AGAIN, Chico.
    3ball


    Shame.

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    Default Re: MJ is the only all-time great that led team in scoring for every series of career

    Quote Originally Posted by Hey Yo

    41.5%
    I rounded up to 42%.. completely standard..


    Quote Originally Posted by hey yo

    You have no problem rounding up MJ's 41.5% to 42 yet LeBron's 6.8ast in 2007 becomes 6.0. Plus you always refer to LeBron shooting 39.8% in last seasons Finals but not 40% like he would for if it were MJ.
    These shenanigans are why I usually post links from each stat to the source, like the thread posted below, which shows how Lebron achieves his stats by lowering his teammates' PPG and APG.

    Specifically, he turns them into play-finishers by lowering their APG (playmaking) and increasing their assisted rate (play-finishing):

    http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...73&postcount=1


    Not surprisingly, his teammates' predictable play-finishing roles don't succeed against the best teams, resulting in team underperformance and losing as the favorite (2009, 2010, 2011 playoffs), and when it was 50/50 (2014).. Otoh, Jordan elevated teammates, so his teams played to full capacity and never lost as the favorite or when it was 50/50 - MJ only lost when he was a huge underdog - those are the facts.
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    Default Re: MJ is the only all-time great that led team in scoring for every series of career

    MJ's worst series was averaging 27 ppg on 41.5% shooting in a Finals series that he won the FMVP.

    Some kid the other day said MJ was garbage in a series he averaged 32/6/7, where he had a 54 pt game followed by a triple double.

    Shows how clueless kids are.

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    Default Re: MJ is the only all-time great that led team in scoring for every series of career

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    Who assisted on highest proportion of Bulls FG's in playoffs during 6-peat?


    Jordan did, as the stats show here.. This shouldn't be a surprise, since he led the Bulls in APG for most playoff runs.

    The remarkable thing is that he led the Bulls in passing while carrying the biggest scoring load ever, BY FAR - no all-time great led their team in scoring for every playoff series of their careers, EXCEPT Jordan, who did so by an average margin of 15.4 ppg.

    This is why it's funny when a new fan says that Jordan's teams were IDEALLY built around him - obviously, it isn't IDEAL for anyone to carry such a goat scoring load, while also leading the team in passing, while also being the best defender ever at their position.. Obviously, that isn't IDEAL..

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