Kyrie, Wade and Pippen's stats during successful championship runs

[97 bulls]

Of*course not - why would anyone think they should've won without Jordan?... You're so opposed to the facts I've been presenting to you, that you've mind-fucced yourself into thinking the opposite.

So what's the end game here? Your arguments have always led me to believe that the Bulls were failures outside of Jordan. Simply because they didn't score enough for your taste. It just makes no sense. You're conflating style with results. And for the life of me, I can't figure out why. Why would a player leading a team to 55 wins and a second round exit hold more weight if he scores 27 ppg as opposed to a guy scoring 20 ppg and providing great defense?

Would you agree that the Bulls are a very good team without Jordan and a great team with him?

[3ball]

The Bulls would've won the 1990 championship if Pippen didn't choke in Game 7 of ECF (2 points, 1-10, and the famous "migraine" headache excuse).

We know the Bulls would've beaten the Blazers in the Finals, since the Pistons beat Blazers in 5 easy games, but needed 7 tough games and Pippen's choke to beat Bulls.. The gap in ORtg between the Pistons and Blazers was huge, but razor thin between Pistons and Bulls.
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[3ball]

Would you agree that the Bulls are a very good team without Jordan and a great team with him?

Absolutely not - in 1989, the 47-win Bulls would've MISSED the 45-win playoff cut without Jordan's 33/8/8.

So without Jordan, that roster was a lottery roster and headed nowhere going into the 1990 season - but WITH Jordan, they were ECF veterans and about to begin a 6-peat dynasty..

Essentially, MJ led that same lottery roster from 1989, to a 3-peat beginning in 1991 - that's the goat impact on a lottery team.. And btw, the Bulls would've won in 1990, but Pip had epic choke (see previous post).

[97 bulls]

Absolutely not - in 1989, the 47-win Bulls would've MISSED the 45-win playoff cut without Jordan's 33/8/8.

So without Jordan, that roster was a lottery roster and headed nowhere going into the 1990 season - but WITH Jordan, they were ECF veterans and about to begin a 6-peat dynasty..

Essentially, MJ led that same lottery roster from 1989, to a 3-peat beginning in 1991 - that's the goat impact on a lottery team.. And btw, the Bulls would've won in 1990, but Pip had epic choke (see previous post).

Lol. Your arguments are so dilusional. The Bulls win it's only because of Jordan. If they lose, its because his teammates suck. You win bro.

[3ball]

The Bulls win it's only because of Jordan. If they lose, its because his teammates suck.

Do you realize how much bigger MJ's scoring load was than anyone in history?.. No all-time great led their team in scoring for every series of their careers, let alone by an average margin of 15 ppg like MJ

So how could MJ have such a ridiculously goat scoring load AND lead the team in passing, if his supporting cast was so great? (MJ led the Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats, so he assisted on the highest proportion of teammates field goals during his 6-peat).

The biggest reason the Bulls were 6/6 was because of MJ, which means he's the GOAT by far, since 6/6 is better than anyone else - [color="darkred"]you should accept that[/color], and then you'll be perceiving things correctly and analyzing basketball better

You win bro.