MJ crushed SG's more than LBJ does SF's, forces defenses to guard him w/ other positi

[3ball]

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Case example of Jordan shifting the positional matchups more than Lebron:

The Warriors could guard Lebron with Iggy all game.. But they couldn't do that with Klay on Jordan because Jordan can dominate Klay to a far greater extent.. Accordingly, the Warriors would want to put Iggy on Jordan for stretches, but that would send Klay to the bench or to defend the bigger Pippen.

Ultimately, Jordan's ability to shred the opposing SG forced coaches to experiment defensively more than they need to for Lebron.. This includes the aforementioned positional adjustments, but also double-teaming - Jordan had a great jumpshot, so defenses needed to get the ball out of his hands to prevent a hot jumpshot

(sidenote: defenses don't need to double MJ or Lebron to prevent their rim attack as much, because the defense can converge on them at the rim - so it's a hot JUMPSHOT compels a team to send consistent double-teams).

[TheWinningFam]

The Warriors could guard Lebron with Iggy all game.. But they couldn't do that with Klay on Jordan because Jordan can dominate Klay to a far greater extent..

I honestly just want to know how you came to this conclusion automatically, can we get some stats or something.

Accordingly, the Warriors would want to put Iggy on Jordan for stretches, but that would send Klay to the bench or to defend the bigger Pippen.

Yeah, send klay to the bench cuz he cant defend the 1 inch taller 5 pound heavier pippen.

Ultimately, Jordan's ability to shred the opposing SG forced coaches to experiment defensively more than they need to for Lebron..

The one time jordan faced the type of defensive individuals lebron does, (1996 payton.) It was the worse finals of his career, and it took rodman's 9/19/5 and elite defense to avoid a game 7 warriors like choke.

[3ball]

can we get some stats or something.

Jordan averaged 36 ppg on 53% against Drexler in 1992 Finals.. Based on this, he'd get 45+ against Klay.

Furthermore, the stats show that MJ averaged 34/7/6 in 16 games against Reggie Lewis (starting SG vs. starting SG)..

Similarly, he averaged 35/8/8 in head-to-head matchups with DPOY Michael Cooper, who was far more athletic than Klay.... And he used to destroy superathlete SG Stacey Augmon.. Also, at 33 years old, he averaged 30 ppg on 50% against Nick Anderson and Penny Hardaway in ECF, including 45 in the closeout game.. There's plenty more examples of SG's - that was just a few.

I honestly just want to know how you came to this conclusion automatically

Ultimately, Jordan had a 40 point game every 3.89 playoff games, compared to 1 in 15 games for Lebron..

Jordan's ability to shred the opposing SG so severely forced coaches to experiment defensively more than they need for Lebron.. This includes the aforementioned positional adjustments (guarding Jordan with other positions), but also double-teaming - Jordan had a great jumpshot, so defenses needed to get the ball out of his hands to prevent a hot jumpshot

(sidenote: defenses don't need to double MJ or Lebron to prevent their rim attack as much, because the defense can converge on them at the rim - so it's a hot JUMPSHOT compels a team to send consistent double-teams).

[Smoke117]

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3ball

[NBAGOAT]

Jordan averaged 36 ppg on 53% against Drexler in 1992 Finals.. Based on this, he'd get 45+ against Klay.

Furthermore, the stats show that MJ averaged 34/7/6 in 16 games against Reggie Lewis (starting SG vs. starting SG)..

Similarly, he averaged 35/8/8 in head-to-head matchups with DPOY Michael Cooper, who was far more athletic than Klay.... And he used to destroy superathlete SG Stacey Augmon.. Also, at 33 years old, he averaged 30 ppg on 50% against Nick Anderson and Penny Hardaway in ECF, including 45 in the closeout game.. There's plenty more examples of SG's - that was just a few.



Ultimately, Jordan had a 40 point game every 3.89 playoff games, compared to 1 in 15 games for Lebron..

Jordan's ability to shred the opposing SG so severely forced coaches to experiment defensively more than they need for Lebron.. This includes the aforementioned positional adjustments (guarding Jordan with other positions), but also double-teaming - Jordan had a great jumpshot, so defenses needed to get the ball out of his hands to prevent a hot jumpshot

(sidenote: defenses don't need to double MJ or Lebron to prevent their rim attack as much, because the defense can converge on them at the rim - so it's a hot JUMPSHOT compels a team to send consistent double-teams).

I will make a mountain out of mole hill. What evidence do you have for an outrageous claim like this. Klay's a good defender and even if Drexler is better, he's not that remarkable on defense. By this logic, Jordan must've put up 50+ everytime he faced off vs a subpar defender like Reggie Miller(newsflash he didn't because basketball doesn't work that way and isn't that simple).

[jrjim]

SG's in Jordans time were 6'3 white guys. Congratulations on beating guys I see at the YMCA

[ralph_i_el]

wade was comparable to jordan ONLY BECAUSE he was arguably the best SG in the league, just like Jordan was - but other than that, they aren't comparable - jordan is a few dimensions better

Was MJ even better than Clyde Drexler?

all your arguments are either really dumb, or cherry-picked bullshit. Now you know how it feels.

[egokiller]

I will make a mountain out of mole hill. What evidence do you have for an outrageous claim like this. Klay's a good defender and even if Drexler is better, he's not that remarkable on defense. By this logic, Jordan must've put up 50+ everytime he faced off vs a subpar defender like Reggie Miller(newsflash he didn't because basketball doesn't work that way and isn't that simple).

The burden of proof isn't on 3ball because the whole concept of proving MJ's dominance as GOAT is not required. It's already been done. One needs to DISPROVE that Jordan WOULDN'T do what is suggested against Klay, not prove why he would.

[ralph_i_el]

The burden of proof isn't on 3ball because the whole concept of proving MJ's dominance as GOAT is not required. It's already been done. One needs to DISPROVE that Jordan WOULDN'T do what is suggested against Klay, not prove why he would.

logic fail.

Wilt would score 2000 points a game today. You can't prove me wrong.
God is real too

[3ball]

What evidence do you have for an [COLOR="Red"]outrageous claim[/COLOR] like this (that Jordan would average 40 on Klay).

He's done it before to better players, athletes and defenders, such as Drexler (92 Finals), Ron Harper (1988 1st Round) and Dennis Johnson (1986 1st Round..

But at a minimum, Jordan would average the same 34 ppg that he averaged against all SG's for his entire playoff career - this average forced every coach to experiment guarding him with other positions like the PG or SF..

Otoh, Lebron doesn't destroy his matchup nearly as much, so you can guard him with Iggy, Pierce or Hayward all game.

By this logic, Jordan must've put up 50+ everytime he faced off vs a subpar defender like Reggie Miller(newsflash he didn't because basketball doesn't work that way and isn't that simple).

He got 50+ in the playoffs more than any other player ever.. But at a minimum, he'd average the same 34 ppg that he averaged against all SG's for his entire playoff career - this average required every coach to experiment guarding him with other positions like the PG or SF..

In Klay's case, he would get destroyed the same way Jordan destroyed Dale Ellis, who plays similar to Klay, only better.. Klay is also a little like Reggie Lewis, whom Jordan destroyed for 34/7/6 in head-to-head matchups (starting SG vs. starting SG)..

Jordan also averaged 35/8/8 in head-to-head matchups with DPOY Michael Cooper, who was far more athletic than Klay.... And he used to destroy superathlete SG Stacey Augmon.. Also, at 33 years old, he averaged 30 ppg on 50% against Nick Anderson and Penny Hardaway in ECF, including 45 in the closeout game.
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[egokiller]

logic fail.

Wilt would score 2000 points a game today. You can't prove me wrong.
God is real too

Wrong. Jordan doesn't need to prove anything to you. He's already viewed as GOAT by the majority and it doesn't matter if your favorite player is not viewed as GOAT by the majority. All you can do is sit there and accept it.