Kyrie Irving Real Plus Minus

[ralph_i_el]

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/r...RPM/position/1

During last season Kyrie Irving was 26th among point guards in terms of Real Plus Minus. He was 13th in Offensive Real Plus Minus, and 72nd in Defensive Real Plus Minus.


the kid is a sieve on defense. The Cavs were better last season with him off the court. They were MUCH better with Dellavedova on the court compared to Kyrie.

Top-10 in Real Plus Minus at the PG:

Chris Paul
Steph Curry
Westbrook
Lowry
Rubio
Conley
Wall
Walker
Patrick Beverley
Goran Dragic



Basically every metric that measures team success says that Kyrie is a detriment to his team. He had 3 good games in the finals.....[COLOR="DarkRed"]but if it was his team they wouldn't even sniff the playoffs. [/COLOR]


Remember kids, a bucket stopped is a bucket earned.

[Milbuck]

Dude was coming off a major injury and playing on a team with a lot of chemistry issues/dysfunction for a lot of the regular season. The previous year he was +3.4 overall, and only a -0.89 on defense, pretty much the same as Westbrook.

This year all that matters is that come playoff time he was a killer and his defense wasn't a factor at all, and was even good at times.

I've always maintained that Kyrie cannot be your best player if you want to have a winning team, but as a 2nd option to a more well rounded player like he is now? He's an absolute stud.

[Young X]

To be fair:

- You're supposed to take these metrics with a grain of salt. They don't mean everything.

- Kyrie had a mediocre regular season. You don't need RPM or any of these other metrics to tell you that. Look at his 2015 season and I'm sure he looks much better.

- He didn't just have 3 good games in the finals, his whole playoff run was very good.

[AnaheimLakers24]

hes better than wall

[Nastradamus]

To be fair:

- This is a metric you're supposed to take with a grain of salt. It isn't everything.

- Kyrie had a mediocre regular season. You don't need RPM or any of these other metrics to tell you that. Look at his 2015 season and I'm sure he looks much better.

- He didn't just have 3 good games in the finals, his whole playoff run was very good.

End thread here, cuz no more needs to be said

[CTbasketball92]

You can be a playoff team with Kyrie as your best player. BUT you won't have championship aspirations.

Also, I expect this season to be like his 2014-2015 season, except with higher scoring because of higher usage rate. He shot like 42% from three that year!

[Sarcastic]

Proof that any metric without context, never tells you the whole story.

I mean look at Michael Jordan. His rookie year he had a DBPM of 1.4. His second year his DBPM fell to -0.5. If we just go by the advanced stats, and not considering that he had a broken foot, you could come to the conclusion that he was becoming worse, and a defensive liability. But once you use common fcking sense, you realize that there was a reason his stats fell.

[NBAGOAT]

others have responded with good counters already. No one disputes he wasn't great during the RS but a lot of it has to do with coming off an injury and not playing a whole season. Over a whole season, I doubt Kyrie is as bad on defense as harden or Lillard and previous year's RPM show that. Blake's rpm wasn't that elite last year for the same reasons but people still expect him to be a top 10 guy this year because they know he had injury issues. Still get your point, people who think Kyrie is now suddenly a top 10 player in the league are overreacting to a great playoff run.

[Nilocon165]

sorry alex but Kyrie is the GOAT

[G0ATbe]

Wasn't he recovering from a season ending injury last season?

He didn't even look near 100% till the playoffs...such a shitty thread

[ralph_i_el]

I'm just on here trying to temper some of this overreaction. Half this forum thinks he's the best point guard in the game.

Wall led a team to the playoffs
Lillard led a team to the playoffs (and last years Blazers were supposed to be BAD)


Kyrie has never had a positive DRPM, so don't blame injuries. This is not an MJ situation, as an earlier poster said.

[JohnMax]

Cavs did not have a rim protector last season.

[ralph_i_el]

Cavs did not have a rim protector last season.

Doesn't explain why Dellavedova had such a great DRPM...

[Sarcastic]

Doesn't explain why Dellavedova had such a great DRPM...

How many starts did he have compared to Kyrie? How many times did he play against the other team's best players as opposed to the bench scrubs?

Context. Learn it.

[ralph_i_el]

How many starts did he have compared to Kyrie? How many times did he play against the other team's best players as opposed to the bench scrubs?

Context. Learn it.

He played more minutes than Kyrie last season. 7 less MPG though.