Raw skill: Most skilled players of all-time

[Round Mound]

KG had a mid-range game including playing with his back to the basket when did Barkley have that

Garnett did not have a good back to the basket game at all, yes he did have mid range shot but so did Barkley. Garnett was better defensively but all other skills Chuck was better at.

[3ball]

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[COLOR="Red"]PERCENTAGE OF TEAM POINTS SCORED WHILE PLAYER WAS ON FLOOR[/COLOR]


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JORDAN 1997... 36.0..... 40.1..... 37.7..... 46.3...... 40.9...... 50.4 [COLOR="DarkGreen"]<--- links to nba.com data[/COLOR]
JORDAN 1998... 36.3..... 42.1..... 39.7..... 48.8...... 43.6...... 49.1

KOBE 2008....... 31.8..... 36.8..... 33.9..... 41.5...... 30.4...... 32.1
KOBE 2009....... 32.6..... 40.5..... 34.3..... 35.8...... 36.2...... 34.4
KOBE 2010....... 32.2..... 37.8..... 33.9..... 38.4...... 36.8...... 37.6



^^^^Look at that 4th quarter gap in load/burden...



Per 100 Possessions Playoffs


MJ 96-98':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 42.5 pts.. 2.5 oreb.. 5.6 dreb.. 5.6 ast.. 3.2 tov.. 118 ortg.. 54.3 ts..
KB 08-10':[COLOR="White"].l[/COLOR] 38.6 pts.. 1.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 115 ortg.. 54.9 ts..


Advanced Playoffs

MJ 96-98':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 27.3 PER.. 9.5 ows.. 4.0 dws.. 0 268 ws/48.. 7.3 obpm... 0.3 dbpm.. 7.3 bpm.. 5.9 VORP.. 102 drtg
KB 08-10':[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 23.8 PER.. 4.7 ows.. 1.1 dws.. 0 158 ws/48.. 4.6 obpm.. -0.2 dbpm.. 4.4 bpm.. 2.8 VORP.. 107 drg


Now consider the scoring burden stats from NBA.com above, where MJ's burden was far greater (50% more in Finals 4th quarters), yet his efficiency still trumps Kobe's...

Furthermore, Jordan had less help offensively, yet his teams had the #6 and 16 all-time ORtg's in 96'/97', versus Kobe's #43 and 49 offenses in 09'/10'.. and defensively it's no contest - 08'-10 Kobe wasn't a great defender..

Given this information, there's clearly a tier-like gap between 96-98 MJ and 08-10' Kobe..

Btw, 08-10 wasn't Kobe's prime.... The defensive bpm shows that only 01-03' Kobe approached 97-98' MJ on the defensive end.. (and no version of Kobe could touch 96' MJ defensively, or pre-96).

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Kobe is damn close to MJ skill wise. [/COLOR]

No, it isn't close - Kobe was closer to 2nd three-peat MJ athletically, but his skill deficit caused his stats to be a tier below (shown above)... .. ..
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[RRR3]

I like how 3ball said Defensive BPM was a trash stat in another thread and then turns around and uses it here.

[3ball]

I like how 3ball said Defensive BPM was a trash stat in another thread and then turns around and uses it here.

They both get the same drebs, so there's no bias

DBPM essentially counts steals, blocks, and drebs - that's why bird has higher dbpm than Pippen (dreb bias)

But with Kobe and MJ, there's no dreb gap, so no dbpm bias..