ISH Education Thread

[fiddy]

What is the best economic system for mankind's welfare ?

Communism. If you have no morale, then Capitalism.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

In my religious studies i learned islam is a derivation of zoroastrianism, specifically a plagiarism of judaism and gnostic christianity.

Moreover, it’s founder named muhammad or something like that was a murderous warlord who didn’t shy away from raping and phaedophilia either.

First of all, --please don't ever claim that you've studied religion.
Not even the most gullible person would buy that bs.

Even the most ignorant people realize that there was a specific religion that Abraham (PBUH) followed, that Adam (PBUH) followed, that Noah (PBUH) followed--that predated Judaism and Christianity. I wonder what that religion could be?
Muhammad (PBUH) didn't "found" Islam--the Qu'ran was the FINAL Revelation from God to humanity. He was the last of the 124,000 Prophets to preach the message to worship God alone.

Islam = Submission to God's Will.

Secondly, you do realize that Zoros believe in TWO competing forces Ahura Mazda and Angra Mainyu--

Satan is under God's Control in both Judaism and Islam. Satan can't rival God. Nobody can Rival God.

Thirdly, Judaism and Christianity--i.e. Moses and Jesus are RECOGNIZED in Islam as Authentic Prophets who submitted their will to God. The term "Judaism" and "Christianity"--translated to Yehudi and Nasara in Arabic---are not

Thirdly, please explain to me the difference in their worship?

Fourthly, if you had any sense of justice-- (which you don't seeing as how you want to kill autistic people and deny God and spread BS on these boards), then you would have to ask yourself Why 1.8 billion people follow this man---and don't start wars, don't rape, don't do pedophile.

And the answer is quite clear.

It's either

A) Muhammad (PBUH) is everything you say he is and that Muslims are evil. That includes guys like Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Hakeem Olajuwan, Muhammad Ali. That would also invalidate the Qu'ran (the Word of God) which forbids aggression, FORBIDS oppression, forbids injustice, forbids immorality,--- and extols truthfulness, extols virtue, extols high morals. That would mean that some illiterate man in a desert somehow got his hands on Jewish/Christian/Zoro Scripture "Avesna" and spent 23 years convincing the rest of warring polytheistic Arabia to somehow unite under something that "plagiarized" their previous religions? (naudhubillah). That would mean that there are still billions of people of Bosnia, Indonesia, North Africa, Persia, who WILLFULLY follow the teachings of this man you claim as a "murderous warlord." 1,400 years later... in a materialistic age.

Do you see how ridiculous that sounds?


or

B) You "Objectivity" are an evil cowardly troll, that just like the disbelievers before you slander Muhammad (PBUH) to try to lead people away from the path of God. That you resort to claiming he is a pedophile--even though back then women married early and that Muhammad (PBUH) married 15 years his age as a young man and prayed long hours into the night (hardly a lust driven man), you claim he starts wars--when in fact it was Quraysh who did so with Muslims wanting Treaty of Hudaiybiyah and peaceful living under Negus and Madinah till bounty hunters and armies from Makkah attacked them--but HEY, You're Objectivity" LETS REWRITE HISTORY TO SUIT OUR AGENDA YEAH!!!--- Let's claim that Aten is the first God (a sun disc) --- Let's depict such and such as a villain yeah!!!"

Which one makes more sense?

God commands truthfulness and one of our beliefs is that both you and I will stand before God on the Day of Judgment answering for our actions.

You, Objectivity, do not have that fear of God in your heart, and thus that fits in that you would resort to slandering and immorality in your posts--and I witness it over and over again during your brief stinky time here on ISH.

You, Objectivity, are nothing but a false slandering liar that can't take the fact that Hell exists and that we're accountable for our sins--so you vehemently reject the Message.

You may leave the forums, kaffirboy.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Yes this is termed the Haggard’s law.
Apparently, studies show about 5% of the population tend to be of LGBT persuasion.

This must be significantly higher in the Muslim community, however they would be beheaded, if found out, so they mostly direct their homosexual feelings towards their leader a sexual deviant mohammad.

You disgusting dirty-minded abominable monster of a freak. Nothing you say makes any kind of remote sense. How on earth would a gay who lusts after men--want someone who isn't even allowed to be drawn?

Do you have any idea of how to differentiate the various kinds of love--- a spiritual, higher, finer, more selfless agape love versus an erotic love? You know that there are ELEVEN types of love in Arabic.

1 – الْهَوَى (hawa) = Attraction
This is the beginning of love. The root verb هَوَى is used to describe wind, meaning to blow, suggesting that this love can arise suddenly, but is transient, not yet firm in the heart. The verb also means both to rise and to fall, indicating the unstable nature of attraction, and the possibilities for how this love might develop.
2 – الْعَلاقَةُ (‘alaqah) = Attachment
Love now becomes attached to the heart, and loses the transitory property of hawa. This is from the verb عَلِقَ to be attached to, to cling to, as in عَلِقَ الشّوْكُ بالثَّوْبِ the thorn clung to, got caught in, the garment, and similarly عَلِقَ حُبهَا بِقَلْبِه love for her became attached to his heart.
3 – الْكَلَفُ (kalaf) = Infatuation
At this stage, the love begins to intensify. الْكَلَف is from the verb كَلِفَ , which means, amongst other things, to become red (in the face), suggesting that the love is now having a physical affect on the lover, and is related also to the noun كُلْفَة difficulty, distress, affliction.
4 – الْعِشْقُ (‘ishq) = Desire
Love now engulfs the heart of the lover entirely, and takes it as its residence, such that love and the heart in which it resides become intimately familiar with one-another. This love blinds the lover to any faults in the beloved. Words in Arabic beginning with the root letters عش convey various ideas associated with ‘ishq: عَشّ to remain in the nest (a bird), عَشِبَ to be covered by foliage, عَاشَرَ to become familiar with, عَشَى to become blind. The two root letters, ع and ش , signify respectively the origin of something (the word عَيْن means spring, source), and diffusing throughout something (the manner of articulation of ش in Arabic phonetics is called التّفَشّي diffusion). Thus, ‘ishq is love which has discovered the source organ of love, the heart, and has diffused throughout it.
5 – الشّعَفُ / اللَّوْعَةُ / اللعَاج (sha’af, law’ah, li’aj) = Passion
The intensity of the love now starts to burn, but at this stage, the love is still pleasurable in the heart. Sha’af describes a state akin to that described by the English word passion, which comes from the Latin root passio (suffering), and is sometimes used with the Latin root in mind, such as in the Passion of Christ, but more often has more pleasurable connotations. Sha’af is from the root verb شَعَفَ to spread tar on a camel, which is a remedy for camel mange; the Arabs believed that the camel experiences a pleasurable slight burning sensation as it is covered by the tar. This root suggests also that this stage of love is a healing, beneficial stage for the lover, but the lover who transgresses this stage will start to feel the pangs of love.
6 – الشّغَفُ (shaghaf) = Affliction
The first stage of destructive, all-consuming love. The heart now begins to be devoured by the love, which begins with the شَغَاف outer covering of the heart. شَغَاف can also refer to a type of heart disease, which, if it spreads, and reaches the spleen, can kill the patient. This is the love that Zulaykha felt for Yusuf, described in the Quran as قدْ شَغَفَهَ حُبّا he (Yusuf) has afflicted her heart with love.
7 – اَلْجَوَى (jawaa)= Grief
The affliction which started with the outer covering of the heart, now takes over the entire heart, and results in an inner grief and sorrow. جَوًى has the meanings of consumption and chronic illness which puts the patient off food. These meanings derive from the phonetic properties of the first two root letters: the manner of articulation associated with the ج is called الشّدّة , literally severity, and the point of articulation of the و is الْجَوْفُ literally the void, as this sound emanates from deep in the throat. The root letters جو are therefore used to indicate the empty inner depth of something, and often relate to destruction; from them we get words such as جَابَ to hollow out, جَاحَ to destroy (property, livestock, wealth), جَاسَ to kill someone in his own house, جَاعَ to be hungry, have an empty stomach, جَوْفٌ inside, interior, void, جَالَ to be routed in battle, جَامٌ vessel. Unlike shaghaf which preceded it, jawaa consumes the inner-most core of the lover.
8 – التّيْمُ (taym) = Enslavement
تَيْم in Arabic is synonymous with عَبْد slave, hence we find in pre-Islamic Arabia the names Abdullah and Taymullah, both meaning Slave of God. The verb تَامَ to love therefore has the nuance of loving to the point where the heart is enslaved to the beloved. We have from this the related word تِيْمَة , which refers to a ewe which the owner keeps for himself, not allowing her to roam freely, and milks for himself alone, and slaughters when he so desires.
9 – التَّبْل (tabl) = Malady
Love, which was once living pleasurably in the heart, having made it its home, now turns against the heart, and so overwhelms, confounds and bewilders it, that it is as though it were its enemy. The verb تَبَلَ means to pursue with enmity, to retaliate in vengeance, to destroy.
10 – التَّدْلِيْه (tadleeh) = Disorder
When the heart is thus being destroyed from within, and begins to lose all sense of balance and reason, it goes into a state of chaos and disorder. مُدَلّه is used to describe a man unable to pay attention to anything, in a state of complete distraction and perplexity, wandering to and fro without knowing the right course. The related verb اِدْلَهَمّ means to be intensely dark, black (e.g. night).
11 – الْهُيُوْمُ (huyum) = Insanity
The beginning of love was with hawa, from the dyadic root هو , and the final stage is huyum, from the root هي , suggesting, just as surely as the final letter of the Arabic alphabet ي follows directly on from the letter و , so الْهُيُوم insanity, the complete loss of reason, is the where the journey which began with الْهَوَى attraction comes to its conclusion. Indeed the final letter of الْهُيُوم , the م , suggests closure, its point of articulation being the lips, with the complete closing of the mouth. The indication of where the initial attraction was leading were there from the beginning: the verb هَوَى to be attracted to, can also mean to perish.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Pure and utter nonsense.

Hitler was sponsored by business because of their aversion to communism.
By who was the red revolution sponsored?
Conspiracy nut smh...

Conspiracy nut?

Whether you choose to agree or disagree with him, it is logical to see that certain groups could have benefited from the rise to power of both Hitler and Stalin.

Capitalism by its definition is a a free market economy with more emphasis on the individual than the collective, its basically freedom itself.

"Capitalism" is basically freedom itself?

Really? Do you know the damage it has wreaked on a global scale? Do you have the faintest idea of what was done to countries like Indonesia in the 90's? Do you have the faintest clue of how hard life is for people in Africa or SE Asia and how economic systems like capitalism that indirectly encourage monopolies make the rich grow richer while wrecking the standard of living for many.

Heck--look AT the GILDED AGE in the U.S.A for starters. You ever read Upton Sinclair's The Jungle?


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To say capitalism killed anyone is a statement beyond belief.[/QUOTE
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Statement beyond belief?

What is the MOTIVE BEHIND EVERY THIEF or PIRATE? Why do they do what they do? What caused them to be that way? What system were they in?


I ain't blaming just capitalism for there are certainly other factors that go into play here, but capitalism ain't exactly optimal for the life of all of its citizens.

Meanwhile communism killed 100m through engineered famines, outright murder et al.

This is a typical unjust Objectivity response.

HERP DERP--Hear let met go ahead and chock on kills from people associated with Communism and clump it under the ideologies of "Communism"

LIke I said

Change your name from Objectivity to Slanderinglyingpieceofshit.

More accurate.

To put it simple, you are an idiot.

To put it simple, if I was to choose between fiddy (who I don't even see eye to eye with vice versa) and you in a position of fiscal responsibility--I'd go with fiddy every day of the week.

[coin24]

jefferson you still have not addressed the inbreeding issue with Muslims.
From my understanding this was organised by your own leaders to keep the masses intelligence level down, as to not question the idiotic "teachings" you guys follow blindly..

And you must not draw the great Mohammed

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

jefferson you still have not addressed the inbreeding issue with Muslims.
From my understanding this was organised by your own leaders to keep the masses intelligence level down, as to not question the idiotic "teachings" you guys follow blindly..

And you must not draw the great Mohammed

AMAZING DIAGNOSIS....

...Except for a few facts
a)

Prohibited to you (for marriage) are: your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters, mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers (who breast-fed you), foster-sisters (who breast-fed from the same woman as you); your wives' mothers; your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives with whom you have consummated marriage, no prohibition if ye have not consummated; (those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past; for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

It is neither commanded nor is it prohibited/encouraged. People have their choice of women.
To imply that "the leaders" are forcing cousin marriages is a very false statement.

b) in Islam, leaders are to serve the people. They are to have responsibilities and that--not to usurp power and squander people's wealth like politicians do. You can look up at the Caliphs as evidence of this---all of who lived lives in poverty and humility.
There are Hadiths that mention the abuse of power and the horrible ensuing consequences and the importance of justice.
Not just that there aren't exactly "kings" in Islam---rather every Muslim bows down and prostrates to God Almighty. That's kind of what you see when you walk into Mecca-- equality and unity symbolized by everyone of different social classes wearing the same humble garments..


c) Following things blindly-- i.e. imitation (TAKLID), is the lowest level of faith. TAKLID is known as fake/counterfeit also.

To become true in faith one must go through tests and one must learn. Not enough to mimic.
All of us were gifted with an intellect by God Almighty and we will be questioned about how we spent our lives.

The active pursuit of knowledge is obligatory upon all Muslims. Hence, why people study and worship all their lives to acquire understanding of religion.


d) If you think those teachings are "idiotic" you can start by asking yourself the questions, "Who is God?" "What is the purpose of life" "Why do we exist?" and begin your intellectual inquiry/spiritual journey.

Come back 30-40 years later and let me know what you find out. Really, the offer is there.

Conversely, you can ask God for guidance directly.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

TAKE 5 MINUTES OF YOUR DAY TO FIGURE OUT YOUR STRENGTHS AS A LEARNER!!!

http://literacynet.org/mi/assessment...strengths.html

[Nanners]

I would like to know what you believe about hell. What exactly is it, why does it exist, is it forever, and is there a way out?

hell is just a place in michigan

[ArbitraryWater]

I once thought OP knew things about life and was open-minded

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

I once thought OP knew things about life and was open-minded

So you think you've grown wiser? Am I hearing you correctly?

[Prometheus]

"Hell". Does it exist? Is it forever? Is it escapable? Do the condemned know they are in hell, or are they given the illusion that a new life has begun?