Why do people say Kobe is more skilled than mj?

[Bronbron23]

Based on Kobe fans arguments it seems they mistake flashy for skill. Kobe fans think that forcing tough shots and using more dribbles means more skilled where I think being more efficient in your shot selection and dribbling means more skilled. Maybe someone needs to put the definition of skilled on here to clarify things

[raprap]

Kobe would destroy MJ one on one tbh

Too many moves

[andgar923]

I like both guys. I think mj is slightly better but I think Kobe deserves to be in the goat convo just as much as LeBron or any other great. I don't get the Kobe is more skilled statement though. What is more skilled at?

The only thing out of all the aspect of basketball that I can think of is handles and 3 point shooting. The handles one is actually interesting because it seems alot of people seem to think that better handles means more flashy handles where I would say better handles means being able to get to your spots and beat your defender while protecting the ball. Mj did this as good or probably a little bit better than Kobe.

Everything else mj was as skilled or more skilled than Kobe. Jordan was a better passer, rebounder and defender. There footwork was equal. Mid-range was equal. Jordan was a better finisher. Jordan moved better off the ball.

Am I missing something? What is Kobe more skilled at than mj other than 3 point shooting?

he's not.

People just take Mj for granted cause he made shit look easy and was more consistent.

[Bronbron23]

Kobe would destroy MJ one on one tbh

Too many moves

I actually wouldn't argue this but how good someone is one on one dosnt mean shit in a 5 on 5 game. Especially at the NBA level

[Young X]

Kobe has better handles and more range on his jumper. They're close in terms of skill.

[kennethgriffen]

I actually wouldn't argue this but how good someone is one on one dosnt mean shit in a 5 on 5 game. Especially at the NBA level

but thats how both guys scored... 1 on 1's, 1 on 2's, 1 on 3's.. and sometimes 1 on 4's and 5's


kobe and jordan weren't really running around screens. being the recipient of a pick and pop or driving their teams with assists


but if you were to break it down to other aspects kobe was the assist leader for 5 world championship teams

jordan was never the bulls assist leader during their title winning seasons

[Bronbron23]

but thats how both guys scored... 1 on 1's, 1 on 2's, 1 on 3's.. and sometimes 1 on 4's and 5's


kobe and jordan weren't really running around screens. being the recipient of a pick and pop or driving their teams with assists


but if you were to break it down to other aspects kobe was the assist leader for 5 world championship teams

jordan was never the bulls assist leader during their title winning seasons

No man u don't understand NBA basketball if you really think that. Mj was much better off the ball than Kobe. He was also much more patient in the the triangle than Kobe was. Mj was a much better fit in the triangle system than Kobe was.

[andgar923]

Kobe vs Mj is an old and tired argument that has been utterly debunked time and time again. Kobetards have a history of being the biggest idiots in sports in general... YES I said "SPORTS" not just basketball.

Here are some of the arguments that have been debunked throughout the years and how the bar and criteria kept evolving as these arguments kept being debunked.

Kobe is a better athlete than MJ
Kobe can jump higher
Kobe has better dunks
Kobe is quicker
Kobe played in a harder era due to zone
Kobe was doubled more
Kobe was a better player
Kobe was a better defender
Kobe was a better passer
Kobe was a better scorer
Kobe was more fundamental and more skilled
Kobe was a harder worker
Kobe had better footwork
Kobe had a better post game

Time and time again they kept moving the goal post as their arguments got debunked. He went to being a better athlete to a better dunker to being more skilled since MJ was a better athlete.

It's pitiful and sad to see people this wrong so many times, yet they keep coming back every so often. They're like cockroaches that simply won't go away, like a fly that keeps buzzing in your ear annoying everyone around.

There is absolutely nothing outside of perhaps 3pt shooting that Kobe is better at... that's about it. Some aspects he's close, one can argue that he might be a tiny bit better as a ball handler, yet that's it. Mj is better at every other aspect of the game no matter how much they try to dissect and microscope shit to fit their narrative.

[kennethgriffen]

Kobe vs Mj is an old and tired argument that has been utterly debunked time and time again. Kobetards have a history of being the biggest idiots in sports in general... YES I said "SPORTS" not just basketball.

Here are some of the arguments that have been debunked throughout the years and how the bar and criteria kept evolving as these arguments kept being debunked.

Kobe is a better athlete than MJ ( nobody said this )
Kobe can jump higher ( nobody said this )
Kobe has better in game dunks due to difficulty
Kobe is quicker ( nobody said this )
Kobe played in a harder era due to better competition on the wing
Kobe was doubled more on the perimeter
Kobe was a better player in his prime
Kobe was nearly as good a defender
Kobe won 5 titles as his teams top playmaker. jordan won zero
Kobe was a more lethal scorer and had the same point per shot
Kobe was more fundamental and more skilled
Kobe was a harder worker
Kobe had better footwork
Kobe had a better post game

all of these ARE true though

[BigShotBob]

In terms of skill, Kobe was better. He's top three most skilled players ever (Bird, Hakeem, Kobe).

MJ had a lot of skill and was fundamentally sound, especially defensively (always had the correct hand in the passing lane, stayed down below the ball, lateral quickness, high IQ and anticipation, etc) but Kobe's footwork was present even when he was as young as 19 years old.

He perfected so many moves and counters especially in the post that getting into the nuance of it is simply unfair. He could mimic Kareem's sky hook, Olajuwon's dream shake, Magic's baby hook, MJ's fade-away, and off the dribble he was trained by Shamgod and perfected Tim Hardaway's crossover.

MJ "wasted" less movement because he had the highest vertical ever recorded and got so high off of his jumpshots (30+ inch vert on his jumpshots on average) that even bigs had a hard time contesting him. And he was so quick and explosive that video tapes at the time couldn't even keep up with him.

Then when he got older, he had developed so much strength in the post that there wasn't a guard or forward alive that could push him out of position (Reggie Miller said that MJ was the 'Shaq' of shooting guards in the post). All of these things scream physical gifts to me, but he maximized what he had which isn't a knock on him.

But when it comes to having a more deadly arsenal then it's Kobe. He took MJ's moves, Hakeem's moves, Kareem's moves, Magic's moves, Bird's moves, Iverson's moves...I could go on. He was a chameleon that understood the game of basketball at a micro level.

[Uncle Drew]

If Kobe was so skilled, how come he never really re-found his footing after his achilles injury?

[kennethgriffen]

If Kobe was so skilled, how come he never really re-found his footing after his achilles injury?

because hes a jump shooter and not a set shooter


his outside shots routinely had about 25-30 inches of verticality on them

he could only get about 10-15 inches after the achilles rupture

[Manny98]

Kobe was so skilled he never had not one elite efficiency scoring season in his 20 year career

[kennethgriffen]

Kobe was so skilled he never had not one elite efficiency scoring season in his 20 year career

up till his achilles injury he had the exact same point per shot as MJ




and even after its only separated by 0.03 points

[Manny98]

up till his achilles injury he had the exact same point per shot as MJ




and even after its only separated by 0.03 points

60% True shooting = elite efficiency something BrickBe doesn't know about

Kobe never even got over a 28 PER how pathetic

Why do people even mention that wannabe ripoff in the same breath as the original

MJ is better than Kobe at absolutely everything just accept it