How good were Jordan's teammates relative to other contenders in the league..

[Dray n Klay]

And how good have lebrons teammates been relative to the contenders in the league

[BigShotBob]

How good were Lebron's teammates relative to other contenders in 2011?

[Real14]

How good were Lebron's teammates relative to other contenders in 2011?

And lebron had a 0 point quarter on top of that This is f.ucking ridiculous End thread

[Dray n Klay]

How good were Lebron's teammates relative to other contenders in 2011?

Pretty bad.


Thunder had 4 MVPs, and Celtics had 4 HOFS


Wade + Bosh doesnt cut it compare to that

[Gileraracer]

Easy answer:

Bosh #4 in PER
Wade #2 in PER


Result: Loss to Jason Terry, JJ Barea and a sick Dirk.

[ImKobe]

You can just take off first options for all of Jordan's Finals opponents and see which team had the better supporting cast

I'll just do this one for the '93 Finals

Bulls - 65.7 ppg without MJ
Suns - 79.4 ppg without Barkley

I don't think there's a single Finals opponent that didn't outscore Jordan's help.

[Dray n Klay]

You can just take off first options for all of Jordan's Finals opponents and see which team had the better supporting cast

I'll just do this one for the '93 Finals

Bulls - 65.7 ppg without MJ
Suns - 79.4 ppg without Barkley

I don't think there's a single Finals opponent that didn't outscore Jordan's help.

Now do it for LeBron in the 2018 playoffs compared to the 1st option of all the teams he faced

[ImKobe]

Now do it for LeBron in the 2018 playoffs compared to the 1st option of all the teams he faced

Lebron is a ballhog and a team cancer, he reduces his teammates' production. Jordan simply outscored everyone and did it within the flow of his team's offense. Lebron is 1/3 in the Finals, when his teammate averages 26+ ppg. Jordan never had a teammate average more than 21 ppg in the Finals and he was never outscored by a teammate in the Finals. He won a title by outscoring his 2nd option by 19.8 ppg in the Finals (1993) and he usually outscored Pippen by 15 ppg in a Finals series. Pippen never came within less than 10 points of Jordan's Finals' ppg while Lebron never outscored his 2nd option by more than 6 ppg.

This tells me that Lebron needed more help than MJ to win a championship.

[Dray n Klay]

Lebron is a ballhog and a team cancer, he reduces his teammates' production. Jordan simply outscored everyone and did it within the flow of his team's offense. Lebron is 1/3 in the Finals, when his teammate averages 26+ ppg. Jordan never had a teammate average more than 21 ppg in the Finals and he was never outscored by a teammate in the Finals. He won a title by outscoring his 2nd option by 19.8 ppg in the Finals (1993) and he usually outscored Pippen by 15 ppg in a Finals series. Pippen never came within less than 10 points of Jordan's Finals' ppg while Lebron never outscored his 2nd option by more than 6 ppg.

This tells me that Lebron needed more help than MJ to win a championship.

Why did the opposing team have HCA in 7 out of LeBrons 9 Finals?

[ImKobe]

Why did the opposing team have HCA in 7 out of LeBrons 9 Finals?

Because Lebron wasn't as good as Jordan when it came to winning RS games and securing HCA. Lebron lost in the Finals with HCA (2011) and he should have lost again in 2013 (bailed out). He also failed to make the Finals with the best record in the Conference (2009 & 2010).

How many times did Jordan lose with HCA?