Has KD passed Bird?

['Toine=MVP]

Do you have Bird as the #2 or the GOAT? That's the only way he'll be ahead of LeBron, considering the fact that LeBron is a top 3 GOAT.

1. Yes I do.

2. I have Shaq #3. Then LeBron in the mix with quite a few others. I go back and forth on where LeBron should rank within that 4-8 tier though.

[Doranku]

Does KD have the capability of turning a 20 win team before he got there into a 60 win team the very season he gets there and then turning that lottery team into a dynasty all by himself?

If not.... nah

KD turned a 73 win team into a 67 win team

Pretty laughable how much some of you guys overrate KD. Have we really forgotten OKC where he accomplished absolutely nothing with two teammates who would go on to win MVP?

Shackled by Artest in 2010, thoroughly outplayed by Dirk in 2011, backdoor swept with HCA in the 2012 finals, embarassing 5 game beatdown from the Grizzlies in 2013, and of course the infamous blown 3-1 lead against GS in 2016.

Replace KD with ANY top 50 player of all-time and GS still wins the last two titles. These cheap titles and FMVPs where he feasts on some of the worst defenses in NBA finals history doesn't elevate him past anyone significant.

[SouBeachTalents]

KD turned a 73 win team into a 67 win team

Pretty laughable how much some of you guys overrate KD. Have we really forgotten OKC where he accomplished absolutely nothing with two teammates who would go on to win MVP?

Shackled by Artest in 2010, thoroughly outplayed by Dirk in 2011, backdoor swept with HCA in the 2012 finals, embarassing 5 game beatdown from the Grizzlies in 2013, and of course the infamous blown 3-1 lead against GS in 2016.

Replace KD with ANY top 50 player of all-time and GS still wins the last two titles.

They were 1-2 plays away from b2b titles with Harrison Barnes in his place

[Phoenix]

KD turned a 73 win team into a 67 win team

Pretty laughable how much some of you guys overrate KD. Have we really forgotten OKC where he accomplished absolutely nothing with two teammates who would go on to win MVP?

Shackled by Artest in 2010, thoroughly outplayed by Dirk in 2011, backdoor swept with HCA in the 2012 finals, embarassing 5 game beatdown from the Grizzlies in 2013, and of course the infamous blown 3-1 lead against GS in 2016.

Replace KD with ANY top 50 player of all-time and GS still wins the last two titles. These cheap titles and FMVPs where he feasts on some of the worst defenses in NBA finals history doesn't elevate him past anyone significant.

Exactly. As SBT stated above they nearly went back to back with Harrison Barnes FFS. You could have replaced him with Kawhi or Paul George and still won the last two titles. KD hasn't gotten exponentially better, nor should his rankings increase exponentially from wherever he was when his own local paper called out his 2016 chokejob. The problem with KD is he somehow missed the memo that 'how' you won a title is very much part of the equation when assessing all-time greats.

[Wally450]

Bird was routinely outperformed by magic

Bird is overrated, Id take Dirk over that guy

Dirk routinely underperformed against inferior teams in the playoffs.

Outside of the 2011 playoffs, Dirk is pretty overrated.

[And1AllDay]

Is this the same guy that was undefeated against Jordan in playoffs 6-0

Mike = 0-6

[ronniec]

Larry Legendo Birdo has been to five finals and was outscored in 3 out of 5 Finals by his own teammate...

How many top 15 players averaged under 16 ppg in a Finals?

-Larry Bird (1981)
-Kobe Bryant (2000)

YIKES

Has KD passed Bird?

So, now the goal post moved again? Just looking at the points (outscored)??

Is Iguodala better than Curry because of the final MVP??

[And1AllDay]

So, now the goal post moved again? Just looking at the points (outscored)??

Is Iguodala better than Curry because of the final MVP??

Did Andre Iguodala outscore Curry 3 times???

[Round Mound]

89-92 Bird yes NOT 79-88 Bird.

[colts19]

Larry Legendo Birdo has been to five finals and was outscored in 3 out of 5 Finals by his own teammate...

How many top 15 players averaged under 16 ppg in a Finals?

-Larry Bird (1981)
-Kobe Bryant (2000)

YIKES

Has KD passed Bird?

Context matters. Not going to explain this again. You are either stupid or just trolling.

[bullettooth]

That would actually make sense if Bird passed LeBron. He didn't, so....

He never needed to, LeBron has always been subpar compared to Larry Legend.

[TheCorporation]

He never needed to, LeBron has always been subpar compared to Larry Legend.

And yet Bird was the top scorer on his own team only twice in five appearances and mustered up 2 whole Final MVPs.

Mind you this was MJ's toughest competition, who was undefeated against him in the playoffs 0 and 6.

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[Phoenix]

Context matters. Not going to explain this again. You are either stupid or just trolling.

[TheCorporation]

And yet Bird was the top scorer on his own team only twice in five appearances and mustered up 2 whole Final MVPs.

Mind you this was MJ's toughest competition, who was undefeated against him in the playoffs 0 and 6.

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[BarberSchool]

Bird is top ten, borderline top 5.
KD if he stays healthy will push someone out of the top 5.
Very well could be Bird.