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    Default MJ is GOAT

    I dare anyone to offer reasons to the contrary

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    Default Re: MJ is GOAT

    1-9 =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FKAri
    1-9 =)
    3/9

    8pts

    Holder of the #1 and #2 greatest margin of loss in NBA finals history

    Your balding idol is a glorified loser.

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    1-9

    Less points than Bron

    Less rings than Russell

    Cant shoot

    Average defense

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    And the United States have had communist like years of leadership while outside a time of war

    incest like relationships are not considered as offer to the contrary

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    Quote Originally Posted by And1AllDay
    Number of seasons where Mike made it out of 1st round w/o Scottie = 0


    Number of seasons where Scottie made it out of 1st round w/o Mike = 2 (1994, 2000)



    Wow is this true? 3ball?

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    OP is a troll who doesn't even watch basketball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wally450
    OP is a troll who doesn't even watch basketball.
    True.

    One Last dagger for OP:

    Jordan lost with an all star teammate (1990, 1995)

    LeBron won without an all star (2016)

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    10 reasons why he's not GOAT



    1. Played in a weak era (expansion draft watered-down the talent in the league Bird said so himself)

    2. Team only had a 2 win drop off without him proving his impact isn't GOAT

    3. Poor 3 point shooter

    4. Poor longevity

    5. 1-9

    6. Weakest finals competition of anyone in the top 10

    7. Losing record to the majority of his rivals ( Zeke,Bird,Keem)

    8. Missed the playoffs in his 14th and 15th seasons

    9. He's not the GOAT of anything

    GOAT scorer - KD
    GOAT defender - Pippen
    GOAT passer - Magic
    GOAT winner - Russell
    GOAT all around - LeBron

    10. Losing to this guy in a 1 v 1


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCorporation

    1-9 > missing playoffs

    Less points than Bron just like Bird has less points than Reggie Miller

    Less rings than Russell and Horry too - but only MJ has all-time levels of rings/stats/accolades

    Cant shoot except anytime he tried

    Average defense except when magic, drexler, miller, starks, majerle, hawkins all shoot
    40% against him
    Fixed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manny98
    10 reasons why he's not GOAT



    1. Played in a weak era (expansion draft watered-down the talent in the league Bird said so himself)

    2. Team only had a 2 win drop off without him proving his impact isn't GOAT

    3. Poor 3 point shooter

    4. Poor longevity

    5. 1-9

    6. Weakest finals competition of anyone in the top 10

    7. Losing record to the majority of his rivals ( Zeke,Bird,Keem)

    8. Missed the playoffs in his 14th and 15th seasons

    9. He's not the GOAT of anything

    GOAT scorer - KD
    GOAT defender - Pippen
    GOAT passer - Magic
    GOAT winner - Russell
    GOAT all around - LeBron

    10. Losing to this guy in a 1 v 1



    No need for me to pile on.

    Its over

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Corporation

    The bulls won 55 in 1994 without him
    The same roster that three-peated in 1993 only won 47 games in 1989, and would've missed the 45-win playoff cut without MJ.. In other words, MJ started with a lottery cast of unproductive young players

    1994 simply proved that the Bulls developed their system exceptionally well, so that it became a 6x unbeatable champion with MJ, and 2nd round without.

    Btw, the Bulls' triangle needed scoring champion production from the #1 option to win a ring - it never won without it.. So only MJ would do because only MJ won a ring and the scoring title in the same year (6 times), along with Kareem/Shaq once each in their peak seasons of 71' and 00'.. These were the only skillsets goat enough to fit scoring champion amounts into a championship/winning framework


    Quote Originally Posted by The Corporation

    Pippen was the best 2nd option
    Pippen was only good for 3 years alongside MJ - 1991-1993 - he sucked every other year and was bad in MOST big series:


    1988 PLAYOFFS:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 10.0 on 46.5%
    1989 PLAYOFFS:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 13.1 on 46.2% (9.7 on 40.4% in ecf)

    1990 ECF[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] vs[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] DET:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.6 on 42.8% (2 pts, 1-10 in game 7)

    1992 ECSF vs NYN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.0 on 40.2%

    1994 ECSF vs NYN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 21.7 on 40.5% (worst-ever 1st option w/ goat choke)

    1995 ECSF vs ORL:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 19.0 on 40.9%

    1996 ECSF vs NYN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 15.6 on 33.0%
    1996 FINAL vs SEA:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 15.7 on 34.3%

    1997 RD 1 vs WAS:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.7 on 38.3%
    1997 ECF[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] vs. MIA:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.8 on 41.7%

    1998 ECF[COLOR="White"]S[/COLOR] vs[COLOR="White"]N[/COLOR] IND:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.6 on 39.2%
    1998 FINAL vs UTA:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 15.7 on 41.0%

    [COLOR="Navy"]Pippen's stats in 96-98 Playoffs - 17 on 40%[/COLOR]


    And despite his best years, the 91-93' Bulls still had weaker on-paper talent than their Finals opponents and numerous other opponents because they got murdered at the #3-12 spots

    This is common knowledge

    Furthermore, any player with 3+ rings had a better 2nd option for 3 Finals or more - i.e. lebron (11-13' and many would argue 16' as well)

    But MJ won 3 rings without the best 2nd option from 96-98' - Pippen averaged 17 on 40.8% for the 96-98' playoffs, while old Rodman averaged 4/8 in the 97' playoffs and wasn't the starter in 98' playoffs.



    Quote Originally Posted by The Corporation

    MJ played weak teams and/or in a weak era
    It's a common fact that parity (even playing field) makes it harder to win, not easier

    The 90's jazz, sonics, lakers, rockets and suns were all Finals teams - they had to beat each other (fellow Finals teams) to make the Finals.. Otoh, today's conferences each have 1 super-team that has an auto-pass to the Finals (heat/spurs and cavs/warriors)

    Whereas everything had to fall perfectly to make the Finals in the 90's West - 4-5 teams took turns having their monumental year and losing to MJ in the Finals.. but the peak of these teams was every bit as high as the spurs/warriors' peak - any of those teams could've beaten the Warriors/Spurs, just like Houston showed last year or the clippers showed this year


    Quote Originally Posted by The Corporation

    6/6 isn't a good argument
    MJ is goat because only MJ has all-time levels of rings, stats, and accolades

    So Finals record isn't even necessary

    However, it's a true symbol of goatness because it's a result OF goatness.. only the goat can be 6/6.. 6/6 is a function of the unbeatable teams that resulted when MJ successfully fit GOAT scoring and clutch into an equal-opportunity system
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    Last edited by 3ball; 04-29-2019 at 04:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manny98
    10 reasons why he's not GOAT



    1. Played in a weak conference (weakest conference the history of the game has ever seen). Proof:



    2. LOTTERY TEAM only had a +2 in wins WITH LeGOAT from the previous season WITHOUT LeGOAT proving his impact isn't GOAT.

    3. Garbage 3 point shooter

    4. Padded longevity stats

    5. Missed playoffs entirely first 2 seasons

    6. Weakest first 3 rounds competition of anyone in the top 10

    7. Losing record to the majority of his rivals (Duncan, Kawhi, Durant, Curry, Terry, Diaw, Barea)

    8. Missed the playoffs after he activated playoff mode

    9. He's not the GOAT of anything

    GOAT scorer - MJ
    GOAT defender - Payton
    GOAT passer - Magic
    GOAT winner - Russell
    GOAT all around - MJ

    10. Losing to this guy in a 1 v 1


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    Kareem is GOAT

    - Most points scored in the entire league (record)
    - 6 rings
    - 2 fmvps
    - 6 mvps (NBA record)
    - ROY
    - 11x all def team
    - 19x all star
    - Greatest college player ever

    GREATEST BASKETBALL PLAYER EVER.
    Sir Alcindor we are not worthy.
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