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    Default Remember when Lebron teamed up with the next best player in the league?

    2010 Wade was #2 in the four main advanced stats - PER, WS/48, VORP, BPM - so he was the #2 player in the league

    So how could **the greatest player of all time** lose with the #2 player (2011)??... Or be an underdog (2012)??...

    Oh wait.. he ain't the goat - that's how

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    Default Re: Remember when Lebron teamed up with the next best player in the league?

    Also had Shaq in 2010 who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's.

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    Default Re: Remember when Lebron teamed up with the next best player in the league?

    Quote Originally Posted by Duncan21formvp
    Also had Shaq in 2010 who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's.
    Indeed, Shaq was all-star MVP in 2009, but relegated to 4th option for lebron in 2010

    Jamison and Mo were also coming off recent all-star campaigns, while Varejao was all-defense... And a ton of shooting and bench help..

    However, players didn't need star casts to make the Finals from the East in that decade - Dwight, Kidd, AI and Lebron all did so.. But ultimately, Lebron left Cleveland in 2010 because he couldn't make the Finals again like he did previously, and ceded easy Finals runs in 09' and 10' to Dwight and an old celtics team

    So he only carried a lesser cast to the Finals 1 time (07') when everyone else was doing it - he otherwise needed super-teams from 11-17', and a perennial all-star 2nd option in 18'.. and a very weak conference overall of course (no playoffs in the West)
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCorporation
    Other players went 1-9 more often and with higher seeds - MJ lost the least in the playoffs of anyone since the 60's celts

    Ultimately - since the goat is the best, people can only criticize things he did, that everyone else did WORSE

    For example - 89' MJ falters with a 2-1 lead against Detroit, but Kobe loses a 3-1 lead and lebron had the goat choke in 11'.... Or MJ goes 1-9 with 8 seeds, while others do the same more often and with higher seeds.... Or MJ loses with an all-star twice, but lebron does too and also 3 times with TWO all-stars

    Btw, that last one - MJ losing twice with an all-star - that's the least anyone ever lost with an all-star - so MJ is goat because he was the most unbeatable with the minimal help that ALL players need to win

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    Default Re: Remember when Lebron teamed up with the next best player in the league?

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ball
    wahhhhhhhhh

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    Default Re: Remember when Lebron teamed up with the next best player in the league?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheCorporation
    Lebron missed the playoffs his first 2 years and had to get carried by Gibson the last two games in 2007 ECF

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    Quote Originally Posted by Real14
    Lebron missed the playoffs his first 2 years and had to get carried by Gibson the last two games in 2007 ECF
    LeBron got carried the game he dropped 48, ok bruh

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    Quote Originally Posted by RRR3
    MJ only lost twice with a perennial all-star - that's the least anyone ever lost with a perennial all-star

    so MJ is goat because he was the most unbeatable with the minimal help that ALL players need to win.. .. ..

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    Default Re: Remember when Lebron teamed up with the next best player in the league?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents
    LeBron got carried the game he dropped 48, ok bruh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Real14
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    I don't even think he's trolling, he legit doesn't even know the game in question

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    Default Re: Remember when Lebron teamed up with the next best player in the league?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents
    LeBron got carried the game he dropped 48, ok bruh
    Lebron averaged 21 ppg on 41% in the other games of that series

    So yes, he was completely carried in that series

    Similar to 2008 when he averaged 26 on 35% against the Celts

    In both instances (07' ECF and 08' ECSF), the Cavs' goat defense allowed them to win or go 7 games in spite of Lebron's horrific offense... Indeed - COY Mike Brown was a great defensive coach (held the Pistons and Celts to below their RS production)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3ball
    Lebron averaged 21 ppg on 41% in the other games of that series

    So yes, he was completely carried in that series

    Similar to 2008 when he averaged 26 on 35% against the Celts

    In both instances (07' ECF and 08' ECSF), the Cavs' goat defense allowed them to win or go 7 games in spite of Lebron's horrific offense... Indeed - COY Mike Brown was a great defensive coach (held the Pistons and Celts to below their RS production)
    That's probably close to what Jordan averaged if you removed his best game in the '96 Finals

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents
    I don't even think he's trolling, he legit doesn't even know the game in question
    I'm being for real plus the pistons were old and hurt

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    Default Re: Remember when Lebron teamed up with the next best player in the league?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents

    21 on 41%

    That's probably close to what Jordan averaged if you removed his best game in the '96 Finals
    Nah - without his best game, he still averaged 25.6 on exactly 40.0%

    Btw, lebron has many series that are worse than any series MJ ever played:


    07' finals
    08' ECSF
    11' Finals
    13' ECSF
    13' Finals
    14' ECF
    15' ECSF
    16' First Rd
    16' ECSF


    ^^^ that's a lot.

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