Andrew Yang NEEDS To Be The Next President

[Prometheus]

I hope Tulsi/Yang people (at least the ones whose next choice is Bernie) vote for Bernie in the primaries if your candidate is still at 2-3%... we can't screw around with this nomination.

If you support Yang and otherwise wouldn't vote Dem that's one thing, but if it's like 1a/1b Yang/Bernie in your mind, you gotta bite the bullet at the polls for Bernie.

The perpetual corrupting dilemma of the two-party system in a nutshell.

He's right though. Until there's a new United States political revolution, he's completely right. Bernie might be the only one who can beat Trump.

[ScalsFan21]

The perpetual corrupting dilemma of the two-party system in a nutshell.

He's right though. Until there's a new United States political revolution, he's completely right. Bernie might be the only one who can beat Trump.

Believe me, I want ranked-choice voting and more viable parties more than anything. I'm biased when I say this, because aside from being anti-establishment, I don't think there's anything comparable about Yang and Bernie.

[Hawker]

I'd really like to know from Bernie, and Bernie supporters, why Bernie no longer touts the governments of Nicaragua, Venezeual and Russia anymore like he did in the 80s.

Did he ever admit he was wrong? How come he never said, "Venezuela isn't real socialism" back then?

The guy literally said lining up for food was a good thing. And charity was wrong. And called for the means of production.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2d3DMC6qyg

[Hawker]

Andrew Yang very well may be the only candidate with any plan (good or bad) for what is coming.

But are we all living in reality? That's the point of this thread right? We want to take an honest look at the future we are facing and figure out what to do about it.

If we are... then why are we talking about Yang getting elected? That isn't going to happen. For superficial, racist reasons - but also simply because most of the country has no clue about any of this. How many people do you think are looking for the best plan for dealing with automatization when they go to the polls next year? Nothing is even going to begin happening until it's already an epidemic. That's reality.

This is a self-fulfilling prophecy. One thing that was good about Trump back in the 2016 election is I can't ever remember him attacking third party candidates like democrats and Hillary did.

[Hawker]

Believe me, I want ranked-choice voting and more viable parties more than anything. I'm biased when I say this, because aside from being anti-establishment, I don't think there's anything comparable about Yang and Bernie.

Andrew Yang has had actual success outside of politics - despite his UBI at the very least he believes in some value of capitalism.

[ScalsFan21]

Hawker we both know the only reason Trump never attacked third-party candidates is because (much like with Bernie, whose supporters he was trying to pull over) I guess he thought them being in the race would benefit him. It was hilarious watching him cite Bernie's talking points in the debates with Hillary as if they were on the same team. That's not to say I'm anti-3rd party though; if Biden or Pete get the nom I'm def voting 3rd party in a safe state.

Andrew Yang has had actual success outside of politics - despite his UBI at the very least he believes in some value of capitalism.

Bernie believes in capitalism too, even if he won't use the word. There's a reason we have to go back decades to find anything that would put that into question, and so much of it has been exaggerated. A lot of things sound worse when next to no context is provided for each "damning" quote. But tbh I'm surprised this one doesn't get more play from you guys on the right:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OraxqbUjpHw

7 minute mark. I even disagree with that one; I think the profit motive and competition are like... inextricably tied to human nature. I don't see that changing.

But I don't think any of those old quotes will hurt him. That essay could once it's more widely seen, but in the age of Trump who gaf.

[diamenz]

I'd really like to know from Bernie, and Bernie supporters, why Bernie no longer touts the governments of Nicaragua, Venezeual and Russia anymore like he did in the 80s.

Did he ever admit he was wrong? How come he never said, "Venezuela isn't real socialism" back then?

The guy literally said lining up for food was a good thing. And charity was wrong. And called for the means of production.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2d3DMC6qyg

i don't think bernie supporters are concerned with all of that in the same way that trump supporters aren't concerned with his rhetoric or legal battles. they all just want major change in washington.

[MaxFly]

This guy could be the smartest guy to ever run for president. His numbers just make sense. Unlike other candidates who just BS their way in, this guy actually has a calculated plan.

His numbers actually make little sense at all and his "plans" are meaningless as he has no strategy to get his proposals through Congress. He isn't alone in this, though. This field of Democrats have a bunch of far flung plans, especially Sanders and Warren, that have next to no chance of becoming law. The rhetoric is fine, but people are losing their farms and struggling to buy insulin. Time to start proposing more concrete and executable ideas.

[diamenz]

His numbers actually make little sense at all and his "plans" are meaningless as he has no strategy to get his proposals through Congress. He isn't alone in this, though. This field of Democrats have a bunch of far flung plans, especially Sanders and Warren, that have next to no chance of becoming law. The rhetoric is fine, but people are losing their farms and struggling to buy insulin. Time to start proposing more concrete and executable ideas.

if it isn't progressive ideas, then what is it? centrist ideas? i'm sure status quo joe or mayor 'we shouldn't talk policy' pete has a plan for that. conservative ideas? where do u stand, breh?

[n00bie]

His numbers actually make little sense at all and his "plans" are meaningless as he has no strategy to get his proposals through Congress. He isn't alone in this, though. This field of Democrats have a bunch of far flung plans, especially Sanders and Warren, that have next to no chance of becoming law. The rhetoric is fine, but people are losing their farms and struggling to buy insulin. Time to start proposing more concrete and executable ideas.

Which other candidate has a concrete and executable idea? All I hear is the same BS that comes out of their mouths year after year.

"Losing their farms and struggling to buy insulin"? That's nothing compared to huge scale of job losses coming in the near future. When everyone starts losing their jobs to automation & A.I., you think people will have money to buy insulin then? I'd love to see any of these old timers running for President get into a debate of how to combat automation.

[Overdrive]

His numbers actually make little sense at all and his "plans" are meaningless as he has no strategy to get his proposals through Congress. He isn't alone in this, though. This field of Democrats have a bunch of far flung plans, especially Sanders and Warren, that have next to no chance of becoming law. The rhetoric is fine, but people are losing their farms and struggling to buy insulin. Time to start proposing more concrete and executable ideas.

Universal health care. The US is the richest economy in the world. You could afford it. But it's a big talking point for conservatives and gets them votes so it will never happen.

[MaxFly]

if it isn't progressive ideas, then what is it? centrist ideas? i'm sure status quo joe or mayor 'we shouldn't talk policy' pete has a plan for that. conservative ideas? where do u stand, breh?

My issue is not so much the ideas, but the lack of focus on a strategy to pass almost any of them. There has been a dearth of discussion as to what is actually feasible in our current political climate, and how we cultivate consensus around ideas that can get a groundswell of active support... support strong enough to compel members of Congress to act. Winning an election by promising to wipe out college debt will mean little when, from January 2021 to August 2021, a Democrat wastes political capital trying to get it done with nothing to show for it at the end because there was no strategy to get it passed. It really doesn't help when candidates pretend that there aren't obstacles they'll need to deal with.

[MaxFly]

Which other candidate has a concrete and executable idea? All I hear is the same BS that comes out of their mouths year after year.

I think that's the problem. It doesn't matter how great anyone's plan is if there's no plan to get it passed and to get it implemented.

"Losing their farms and struggling to buy insulin"? That's nothing compared to huge scale of job losses coming in the near future. When everyone starts losing their jobs to automation & A.I., you think people will have money to buy insulin then? I'd love to see any of these old timers running for President get into a debate of how to combat automation.

I'd actually like to see all of these candidates have a serious discussion about automation, job retraining, future industries and the responsibilities that corporations have in taking care of the employees that have heavily contributed to their success and expansions. I'd also like to see a discussion of how we get some of these plans passed with the margins in the House and the even tighter potential margins in the Senate.

People losing their farms and not being able to buy insulin may seem negligible compared to some of our challenges down the line, but these candidates cannot forget to address the seemingly "small" challenges, though I don't consider either of those small, even in comparison. Those small challenges that affect people presently and intimately are what people most readily vote on. Where's the plan for dealing with the drug prices for the older gentleman I saw standing in line at the pharmacy last week who could only pay for some of his meds? What's the plan to pass that plan through Republican opposition?

[MaxFly]

Universal health care. The US is the richest economy in the world. You could afford it. But it's a big talking point for conservatives and gets them votes so it will never happen.

I'm fully supportive of a Universal Health Care plan with private options that expand care for those who want or need it. However, even our public option now requires Medicare Part D to properly cover the cost of medications.

Here's the thing... it's not about how rich the economy is. Health Care constitutes about 1/6th of our economy. There are a bunch of logistical issues around moving people off of private plans and onto a public plan.

It doesn't help that Democrats are talking as if they want to move everyone to a Universal plan right away and burn private insurance to the ground without a lengthy transition period to ensure a smooth transition. Even with all it's benefits, and even with people driving to Canada to buy cheaper insulin, Dems are not selling Universal Health Care well. They're really terrible at creating good narratives.

[diamenz]

andrew yang boycotts msnbc.