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    Default Re: When did Lebron elevate a team of unestablished/young players to a championship?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents
    You have the audacity to list Pierce, Curry & Durant when complaining about colluded titles
    Again, non-ball-dominators have nearly all the rings, and most didn't need to collude

    Otoh, ball-dominators have almost no non-colluded rings, and only 3 colluded

    It's funny because you guys complain about comp when lebron was "compensated" for that by getting extra Finals chances via a weak conference, and his own super-teams .. it was on him to have the best teams of his era, yet 3/9.. so don't complain

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    Default Re: When did Lebron elevate a team of unestablished/young players to a championship?

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ball
    New top 15 based on the OP's logic and the notion that dominant wing > dominant big in modern era:


    1. MJ
    2. Bird
    3. Kobe
    4. Magic
    5. Wilt
    6. Kareem
    7. Shaq
    8. Russell
    9. Duncan
    10. Kawhi
    11. Durant
    12. Hakeem
    13. Pettit
    14. Moses
    15. Dirk
    How many times you gonna change your all time ranking list this year

    http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...9&postcount=32

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    Default Re: When did Lebron elevate a team of unestablished/young players to a championship?

    Quote Originally Posted by sdot_thadon
    Boi, taking a team to the finals >>>>>>>>>a 1st round exit. I can't even begin to stress > enough. Mj elevated his team back to the lottery while lebron lifted his team to the point they couldn't get lotto picks. This is easy stuff, no need to twist your brain into a pretzel over.
    MJ's 1st round losses happened in his first few seasons, when nearly all lottery picks like Lebron, Durant, and Kyrie REMAIN lottery by missing the playoffs

    Also, you've said previously that the 80's Celtics = Spurs or Warriors

    So lebron's Finals sweeps and blowouts prove that if he faced that caliber in the first round i.e. 80's Celtics, he would've lost in the first round instead of the Finals; he simply didn't have to face that caliber until the Finals, while MJ faced it in the 1st Round

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    Default Re: When did Lebron elevate a team of unestablished/young players to a championship?

    3ball,


    1. Why did you lie about retiring?

    2. Why are you constantly changing your GOAT list? And not even minor changes either.

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    Default Re: When did Lebron elevate a team of unestablished/young players to a championship?

    Quote Originally Posted by RRR3
    3ball,


    1. Why did you lie about retiring?

    2. Why are you constantly changing your GOAT list? And not even minor changes either.
    It was a quick retirement and I bumped Wilt down below the goat perimeter players, but still goat of the bigs

    It's always a fluid list as ongoing evolution tells us more about our past

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3ball
    They were already stars, so lebron didn't have to develop their talent, or the team's teamwork to achieve favorite status (they were preseason favorites to win it all, and right before playoffs)
    LOL @ not knowing the reg. season and postseason aren't comparable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3ball
    MJ's 1st round losses happened in his first few seasons, when nearly all lottery picks like Lebron, Durant, and Kyrie REMAIN lottery by missing the playoffs

    Also, you've said previously that the 80's Celtics = Spurs or Warriors

    So lebron's Finals sweeps and blowouts prove that if he faced that caliber in the first round i.e. 80's Celtics, he would've lost in the first round instead of the Finals; he simply didn't have to face that caliber until the Finals, while MJ faced it in the 1st Round
    You never seem to think any of these topics through bro. Mj led the bulls to lotto picks Lebron didn't as a matter of fact here's the picks each had after being drafted:

    Mj:
    11th pick in 85
    9th pick in 86
    8th AND 10th pick in 87
    11th pick in 88
    6th pick in 89

    LBJ: 10th pick in 04 and never another pick in approaching top 10.

    So basically your argument is mortally wounded on 2 fronts here. Mj not only couldn't elevate his teams higher than Lebron did in 07 but he also had much better draft talent added to his team.

    Lastly just for shits and giggles if lebron were to have Mjs draft position in place of his own he'd have these guys available for the cavs to draft:

    1 of :biedrens, telfair, humphires, al jefferson, jr smith, josh smith....or perhaps they take luke Jackson like they did that year with the 10th pick
    1 of: bynum, granger
    2 of: rudy gay and jj Reddick, sefolosha
    1 of: thad young, nick young, belinelli
    1 of: gallinari, eric gordon

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    Default Re: When did Lebron elevate a team of unestablished/young players to a championship?

    This might honestly be the best thread in ISH history

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdot_thadon

    You never seem to think any of these topics through bro. Mj led the bulls to lotto picks Lebron didn't as a matter of fact here's the picks each had after being drafted:

    Mj:
    11th pick in 85
    9th pick in 86
    8th AND 10th pick in 87
    11th pick in 88
    6th pick in 89

    LBJ: 10th pick in 04 and never another pick in approaching top 10.

    So basically your argument is mortally wounded on 2 fronts here. Mj not only couldn't elevate his teams higher than Lebron did in 07 but he also had much better draft talent added to his team.
    Lebron beat his conference earlier because it was weak, but he couldn't beat the league earlier because he's inferior to MJ - the league is the proper barometer and it accounts for a weak conference

    MJ dominated the league like lebron dominates the East because his skill allowed the best brand of ball movement basketball that yields the best teams.. So it didn't matter who MJ faced in the Finals - his Finals teams were juggernauts that would never be 3/9 regardless of opponent

    Otoh, guys like Lebron/Nash/CP3 can't play the ball movement brand because they lack an adequate skillset to score or assist quickly in the midst of the ball moving... So they must dominate the ball to produce, which puts a lower ceiling on their teams.. This is why I rank players like Nash, CP3, and Lebron behind guys like MJ, Bird, and Kobe (the top 3 perimeter players of all time)

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    Default Re: When did Lebron elevate a team of unestablished/young players to a championship?

    Quote Originally Posted by sdot_thadon
    When did anyone else elevate a cast like the 07 Cavs to the finals?




    oh the 2018 cavs......
    Title of the thread says "championship" and you start talking about "showing up".


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    Default Re: When did Lebron elevate a team of unestablished/young players to a championship?

    Quote Originally Posted by egokiller
    Title of the thread says "championship" and you start talking about "showing up".

    i answered a stupid question with an equally stupid one tbfh. I'd have answered why'd you abandon your old account if you were the one asking. foh.

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    Default Re: When did Lebron elevate a team of unestablished/young players to a championship?

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ball
    Lebron beat his conference earlier because it was weak, but he couldn't beat the league earlier because he's inferior to MJ - the league is the proper barometer and it accounts for a weak conference

    MJ dominated the league like lebron dominates the East because his skill allowed the best brand of ball movement basketball that yields the best teams.. So it didn't matter who MJ faced in the Finals - his Finals teams were juggernauts that would never be 3/9 regardless of opponent

    Otoh, guys like Lebron/Nash/CP3 can't play the ball movement brand because they lack an adequate skillset to score or assist quickly in the midst of the ball moving... So they must dominate the ball to produce, which puts a lower ceiling on their teams.. This is why I rank players like Nash, CP3, and Lebron behind guys like MJ, Bird, and Kobe (the top 3 perimeter players of all time)
    You asked about elevation of a young team, well smart fella Mj was adding top 10 picks for damn near 5 years. Lebron just one. Let that sink in.

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    Default Re: When did Lebron elevate a team of unestablished/young players to a championship?

    Quote Originally Posted by sdot_thadon
    When did anyone else elevate a cast like the 07 Cavs to the finals?




    oh the 2018 cavs......

    welp

    issa wrap

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    Default Re: When did Lebron elevate a team of unestablished/young players to a championship?

    Quote Originally Posted by egokiller
    Title of the thread says "championship" and you start talking about "showing up".


    str8 alltin

    dispickable garbage human

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    Default Re: When did Lebron elevate a team of unestablished/young players to a championship?

    Quote Originally Posted by sdot_thadon

    When did anyone else elevate a cast like the 07 Cavs to the finals?

    oh the 2018 cavs......
    Lebron took 4 years to get that team to the Finals in 07'

    And he didn't win the Finals - so he never elevated unestablished players to a championship, like the OP says

    Whereas MJ elevated a group of raw, single-digit rookies to a three-peat.. two three-peats

    So a pretty big difference

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