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    Default Without trolling, can anyone refute this thesis intro on why Lebron isn't top 10?

    Lebron can ONLY win with established vets because his style of turning teammates into spot-up shooters doesn't develop players or teamwork.

    So the Nash/CP3/Lebron skillset is flawed because it's poor for player and team development, which is why it mostly loses to the Spurs and Warriors' organic brand of ball-movement.

    This ball movement brand is the tried-and-true best way to maximize a team, but it requires players to incorporate a different skillset.. The star must frequently not touch the ball, while teammates move the ball and establish themselves as threats - only when the team needs a momentum boost or to break a momentary stalemate/lull does the star step in and assert their dominance..

    Unfortunately, guys like Nash, CP3, and Lebron can't play this way because they lack an adequate skillset to score or assist quickly in the midst of the ball moving... So they must dominate the ball to produce, which puts a lower ceiling on their teams.. This is why I rank players like Nash, CP3, and Lebron behind guys like MJ, Bird, and Kobe (the top 3 perimeter players of all time)

    Ultimately, Lebron's skillset is CP3/Nash caliber (ball-dominant), which isn't capable of winning a ring, at least not without the extra talent/colluding to compensate for the weaker teamwork inherent in this style of play, and also established stars rather than unestablished players that the ball-dominant skillset can't develop

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    Default Re: Without trolling, can anyone refute this thesis intro on why Lebron isn't top 10?

    73 win team. Down 3-1. Led everyone in everything. If MJ had it in him to beat the 80s Celtics/pistons it would look something like that

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    Default Re: Without trolling, can anyone refute this thesis intro on why Lebron isn't top 10?

    OP has Wilt Chamberlain number 2 all time...nuff said.

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    Default Re: Without trolling, can anyone refute this thesis intro on why Lebron isn't top 10?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vino24
    73 win team. Down 3-1. Led everyone in everything. If MJ had it in him to beat the 80s Celtics/pistons it would look something like that
    Who on MJs team got 27ppg and the CHAMPIONSHIP WINNING shot?

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    Default Re: Without trolling, can anyone refute this thesis intro on why Lebron isn't top 10?

    Quote Originally Posted by superduper
    Who on MJs team got 27ppg and the CHAMPIONSHIP WINNING shot?
    He had nearly 3 other players capable of 20ppg

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    Default Re: Without trolling, can anyone refute this thesis intro on why Lebron isn't top 10?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vino24
    He had nearly 3 other players capable of 20ppg
    If 20ppg = 27ppg now then I guess Kevin Martin = Tracy McGrady

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    Default Re: Without trolling, can anyone refute this thesis intro on why Lebron isn't top 10?

    You are proof on why he is.

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    Default Re: Without trolling, can anyone refute this thesis intro on why Lebron isn't top 10?

    Says without trolling on a topic stating Lebron isn't top 10.

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    Default Re: Without trolling, can anyone refute this thesis intro on why Lebron isn't top 10?

    Almost an hour and not a single refute so far

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    Default Re: Without trolling, can anyone refute this thesis intro on why Lebron isn't top 10?

    Quote Originally Posted by superduper
    Almost an hour and not a single refute so far
    Don't worry Op, someone will eventually get bored enough for more than a one line reply.

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    Default Re: Without trolling, can anyone refute this thesis intro on why Lebron isn't top 10?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vino24
    73 win team. Down 3-1. Led everyone in everything. If MJ had it in him to beat the 80s Celtics/pistons it would look something like that
    MJ didn't have two other all-stars on his team back then. LeBald's career is one big shortcut.

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    Default Re: Without trolling, can anyone refute this thesis intro on why Lebron isn't top 10?

    Oh good, another LeBron topic.

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    Default Re: Without trolling, can anyone refute this thesis intro on why Lebron isn't top 10?

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ball
    Lebron can ONLY win with established vets because his style of turning teammates into spot-up shooters doesn't develop players or teamwork.

    So the Nash/CP3/Lebron skillset is flawed because it's poor for player and team development, which is why it mostly loses to the Spurs and Warriors' organic brand of ball-movement.

    This ball movement brand is the tried-and-true best way to maximize a team, but it requires players to incorporate a different skillset.. The star must frequently not touch the ball, while teammates move the ball and establish themselves as threats - only when the team needs a momentum boost or to break a momentary stalemate/lull does the star step in and assert their dominance..

    Unfortunately, guys like Nash, CP3, and Lebron can't play this way because they lack an adequate skillset to score or assist quickly in the midst of the ball moving... So they must dominate the ball to produce, which puts a lower ceiling on their teams.. This is why I rank players like Nash, CP3, and Lebron behind guys like MJ, Bird, and Kobe (the top 3 perimeter players of all time)

    Ultimately, Lebron's skillset is CP3/Nash caliber (ball-dominant), which isn't capable of winning a ring, at least not without the extra talent/colluding to compensate for the weaker teamwork inherent in this style of play, and also established stars rather than unestablished players that the ball-dominant skillset can't develop
    Both Irving and Love were Finals virgins in 2016.


    too easy......

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    Default Re: Without trolling, can anyone refute this thesis intro on why Lebron isn't top 10?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hey Yo
    Both Irving and Love were Finals virgins in 2016.


    too easy......
    Took LeBron three tries + collusion to win in the finals.

    MJ did it on his first try.

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    Default Re: Without trolling, can anyone refute this thesis intro on why Lebron isn't top 10?

    Quote Originally Posted by bullettooth
    Took LeBron three tries + collusion to win in the finals.

    MJ did it on his first try.
    Lol the way Bran stans talk about other players being finals/ring virgins is so deluded I don't even know if I should laugh. It literally took super collusions like never before seen in history for Bran to even be remotely relevant. Absolutely hilarious how the entire world has forgotten.

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