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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Without trolling, can anyone refute this thesis intro on why Lebron isn't top 10?
Lebron can ONLY win with established vets because his style of turning teammates into spot-up shooters doesn't develop players or teamwork.
So the Nash/CP3/Lebron skillset is flawed because it's poor for player and team development, which is why it mostly loses to the Spurs and Warriors' organic brand of ball-movement.
This ball movement brand is the tried-and-true best way to maximize a team, but it requires players to incorporate a different skillset.. The star must frequently not touch the ball, while teammates move the ball and establish themselves as threats - only when the team needs a momentum boost or to break a momentary stalemate/lull does the star step in and assert their dominance..
Unfortunately, guys like Nash, CP3, and Lebron can't play this way because they lack an adequate skillset to score or assist quickly in the midst of the ball moving... So they must dominate the ball to produce, which puts a lower ceiling on their teams.. This is why I rank players like Nash, CP3, and Lebron behind guys like MJ, Bird, and Kobe (the top 3 perimeter players of all time)
Ultimately, Lebron's skillset is CP3/Nash caliber (ball-dominant), which isn't capable of winning a ring, at least not without the extra talent/colluding to compensate for the weaker teamwork inherent in this style of play, and also established stars rather than unestablished players that the ball-dominant skillset can't develop
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Consensus, Cemented
Re: Without trolling, can anyone refute this thesis intro on why Lebron isn't top 10?
73 win team. Down 3-1. Led everyone in everything. If MJ had it in him to beat the 80s Celtics/pistons it would look something like that
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Re: Without trolling, can anyone refute this thesis intro on why Lebron isn't top 10?
OP has Wilt Chamberlain number 2 all time...nuff said.
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Le11th
Re: Without trolling, can anyone refute this thesis intro on why Lebron isn't top 10?
Originally Posted by Vino24
73 win team. Down 3-1. Led everyone in everything. If MJ had it in him to beat the 80s Celtics/pistons it would look something like that
Who on MJs team got 27ppg and the CHAMPIONSHIP WINNING shot?
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Consensus, Cemented
Re: Without trolling, can anyone refute this thesis intro on why Lebron isn't top 10?
Originally Posted by superduper
Who on MJs team got 27ppg and the CHAMPIONSHIP WINNING shot?
He had nearly 3 other players capable of 20ppg
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Le11th
Re: Without trolling, can anyone refute this thesis intro on why Lebron isn't top 10?
Originally Posted by Vino24
He had nearly 3 other players capable of 20ppg
If 20ppg = 27ppg now then I guess Kevin Martin = Tracy McGrady
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Gif-ted
Re: Without trolling, can anyone refute this thesis intro on why Lebron isn't top 10?
You are proof on why he is.
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truth serum
Re: Without trolling, can anyone refute this thesis intro on why Lebron isn't top 10?
Says without trolling on a topic stating Lebron isn't top 10.
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Le11th
Re: Without trolling, can anyone refute this thesis intro on why Lebron isn't top 10?
Almost an hour and not a single refute so far
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truth serum
Re: Without trolling, can anyone refute this thesis intro on why Lebron isn't top 10?
Originally Posted by superduper
Almost an hour and not a single refute so far
Don't worry Op, someone will eventually get bored enough for more than a one line reply.
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I don't flop.
Re: Without trolling, can anyone refute this thesis intro on why Lebron isn't top 10?
Originally Posted by Vino24
73 win team. Down 3-1. Led everyone in everything. If MJ had it in him to beat the 80s Celtics/pistons it would look something like that
MJ didn't have two other all-stars on his team back then. LeBald's career is one big shortcut.
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High School Varsity 6th Man
Re: Without trolling, can anyone refute this thesis intro on why Lebron isn't top 10?
Oh good, another LeBron topic.
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NBA Legend
Re: Without trolling, can anyone refute this thesis intro on why Lebron isn't top 10?
Originally Posted by 3ball
Lebron can ONLY win with established vets because his style of turning teammates into spot-up shooters doesn't develop players or teamwork.
So the Nash/CP3/Lebron skillset is flawed because it's poor for player and team development, which is why it mostly loses to the Spurs and Warriors' organic brand of ball-movement.
This ball movement brand is the tried-and-true best way to maximize a team, but it requires players to incorporate a different skillset.. The star must frequently not touch the ball, while teammates move the ball and establish themselves as threats - only when the team needs a momentum boost or to break a momentary stalemate/lull does the star step in and assert their dominance..
Unfortunately, guys like Nash, CP3, and Lebron can't play this way because they lack an adequate skillset to score or assist quickly in the midst of the ball moving... So they must dominate the ball to produce, which puts a lower ceiling on their teams.. This is why I rank players like Nash, CP3, and Lebron behind guys like MJ, Bird, and Kobe (the top 3 perimeter players of all time)
Ultimately, Lebron's skillset is CP3/Nash caliber (ball-dominant), which isn't capable of winning a ring, at least not without the extra talent/colluding to compensate for the weaker teamwork inherent in this style of play, and also established stars rather than unestablished players that the ball-dominant skillset can't develop
Both Irving and Love were Finals virgins in 2016.
too easy......
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I don't flop.
Re: Without trolling, can anyone refute this thesis intro on why Lebron isn't top 10?
Originally Posted by Hey Yo
Both Irving and Love were Finals virgins in 2016.
too easy......
Took LeBron three tries + collusion to win in the finals.
MJ did it on his first try.
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Le11th
Re: Without trolling, can anyone refute this thesis intro on why Lebron isn't top 10?
Originally Posted by bullettooth
Took LeBron three tries + collusion to win in the finals.
MJ did it on his first try.
Lol the way Bran stans talk about other players being finals/ring virgins is so deluded I don't even know if I should laugh. It literally took super collusions like never before seen in history for Bran to even be remotely relevant. Absolutely hilarious how the entire world has forgotten.
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