Here's audio of SVG saying the plan was to let Lebron score in 09' ECF

[3ball]

Yeah I have no arguments there. Stan Van gundy pretty much said that himself after the finals. What I disagree with is you saying that the reason the Cavs lost was Lebron.

I clarified things in the post at the top of the previous page, which ill reiterate:

In the context of Lebron vs. MJ, the loss is lebron's fault because mj would've won that series - the method that Stan said he used to beat Lebron wouldn't work on MJ (Pistons needed the "Jordan Rules", especially after Game 3 in 89')

Stan would have to double Jordan, and also deal woth the off-ball aspect - shading and doubling MJ off screens and pindowns, etc, versus playing straight-up versus lebron's skillset.. night and day.. Lebron was a massive favorite and should've won if we're comparing him to mj
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[superduper]

I clarified things in the post at the top of this page, which ill reiterate:

In the context of Lebron vs. MJ, the loss is lebron's fault because mj would've won that series - the method that Stan said he used to beat Lebron wouldn't work on MJ (Pistons needed the "Jordan Rules", especially after Game 3 in 89')

Stan would have to double Jordan, and also deal woth the off-ball aspect - shading and doubling MJ off screens and pindowns, etc, versus playing straight-up versus lebron's skillset

3ball's points are so refreshing to read compared to the nonsensical spew from people like Corp/And1.

When people actually understand basketball

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kobe waited 2 years, when both he and Lebron's teams were favored.

Bron said I'll catch you on the come up. But with MONstars.

The disrespect ...

[3ball]

double teams spur ball movement and a scrambling defense (like when curry or anyone gets doubled), so the reason lebron isn't doubled has nothing to do with him hurting the defense with passing (since all double teams spur ball movement and scrambling defense)

The real reason lebron isn't doubled by SVG or the Spurs/Warriors is because he won't punish the opponent sufficiently with his scoring (according to SVG), which allows the defense to stay at home on teammates

Since double teams spur ball movement, the lack of double teams is a primary reason lebron's teams have low ball movement (in addition to his ball-dominant skillset as a frontcourt player).. with the defense staying home, lebron must hold the ball for longer, so the ball doesn't move like it does when someone gets doubled - yes, lebron's inability to command a double is a MASSIVE flaw versus other players because of the weaker ball movement it causes for his team

[3ball]

3ball's points are so refreshing to read compared to the nonsensical spew from people like Corp/And1.

When people actually understand basketball

Thanks Super

It took me a few pages, but i finally clarified myself and the points being made in the previous post above this one, and the post that you just quoted (#106)

[StrongLurk]

Lebron first 5 games of the Magic series.

41/9/8 on 50/31/76 including clutch buckets in game 1 (Magic were also clutch) and a game winner in game 2. (can't remember if the other games had clutch shots by Lebron, would have to watch again).

OP is so shook by Lebron it's crazy.

[RRR3]

Kobe waited 2 years, when both he and Lebron's teams were favored.

Bron said I'll catch you on the come up. But with MONstars.

The disrespect ...

LeBron made the finals before Kobe ever did without Shaq. Where was Kobe?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

LeBron made the finals before Kobe ever did without Shaq. Where was Kobe?

The year Lebron made the finals, Kobe was on a shit team.

Pretty sure Cleveland in 2009 and 2010 were favored to make the finals. Ditto with LAL.

Bron left Bean hanging tho.

[3ball]

OP is so shook by Lebron it's crazy

I clarified things in the post at the top of the previous page, which ill reiterate:

In the context of Lebron vs. MJ, the loss is lebron's fault because mj would've won that series - the method that Stan said he used to beat Lebron wouldn't work on MJ (Pistons needed the "Jordan Rules", especially after Game 3 in 89')

Stan would have to double Jordan, and also deal with the off-ball aspect - shading and doubling MJ off screens and pindowns, etc, versus playing straight-up versus lebron's skillset.. night and day.. Lebron was a massive favorite and should've won if we're comparing him to mj

The next response means below clarifies the impact of Lebron not commanding double-teams

Lebron first 5 games of the Magic series.

41/9/8 on 50/31/76 including clutch buckets in game 1 (Magic were also clutch) and a game winner in game 2. (can't remember if the other games had clutch shots by Lebron, would have to watch again).

^^^ stats don't matter if your teammates are being bottled up by a straight-up/stay-at-home defense.

double teams spur ball movement and a scrambling defense (like when curry or anyone gets doubled), so the reason lebron isn't doubled has nothing to do with him hurting the defense with passing (since all double teams spur ball movement and scrambling defense)

The real reason lebron isn't doubled by SVG or the Spurs/Warriors is because he won't punish the opponent sufficiently with his scoring (according to SVG), which allows the defense to stay at home on teammates

Since double teams spur ball movement, the lack of double teams is a primary reason lebron's teams have low ball movement (in addition to his ball-dominant skillset as a frontcourt player).. Lebron must hold the ball for longer against a stay-at-home defense, so the ball doesn't move like it does when someone gets doubled - yes, lebron's inability to command a double is a MASSIVE flaw versus other players because of the weaker ball movement it causes for his team

[StrongLurk]

I clarified things in the post at the top of the previous page, which ill reiterate:

In the context of Lebron vs. MJ, the loss is lebron's fault because mj would've won that series - the method that Stan said he used to beat Lebron wouldn't work on MJ (Pistons needed the "Jordan Rules", especially after Game 3 in 89')

Stan would have to double Jordan, and also deal with the off-ball aspect - shading and doubling MJ off screens and pindowns, etc, versus playing straight-up versus lebron's skillset.. night and day.. Lebron was a massive favorite and should've won if we're comparing him to mj

The next response means below clarifies the impact of Lebron not commanding double-teams



^^^ stats don't matter if your teammates are being bottled up by a straight-up/stay-at-home defense.

double teams spur ball movement and a scrambling defense (like when curry or anyone gets doubled), so the reason lebron isn't doubled has nothing to do with him hurting the defense with passing (since all double teams spur ball movement and scrambling defense)

The real reason lebron isn't doubled by SVG or the Spurs/Warriors is because he won't punish the opponent sufficiently with his scoring (according to SVG), which allows the defense to stay at home on teammates

Since double teams spur ball movement, the lack of double teams is a primary reason lebron's teams have low ball movement (in addition to his ball-dominant skillset as a frontcourt player).. Lebron must hold the ball for longer against a stay-at-home defense, so the ball doesn't move like it does when someone gets doubled - yes, lebron's inability to command a double is a MASSIVE flaw versus other players because of the weaker ball movement it causes for his team

No one agrees with you except your fellow Lebron haters.

[PickernRoller]

Lurk, you a certified fresh Bran c0cksucker. You got no standing brah. Be real.

[aj1987]

You guys are misinterpreting my point - I never said that Stan said lebron was the reason for the loss

You actually did though, you inbred [COLOR="Black"]f[/COLOR]aggot. You said that several times.

Here's your original quote:

"The topic came up again when Stay Van Gundy recently said he exploited lebron's ball-dominant, iso-heavy skillset in that series (empty stats), which is how his underdog Magic beat Lebron's heavily-favored, 60-win, 1 seed.. it was the only thing Dwight and Stan did before or since.. "

You literally said LeBron was the reason why the Cavs lost that series.

I mentioned the Stan quote because he would never have been able to beat MJ that way

Except for the FACT that the Magic would've obliterated Ordan. We've seen what the choker was capable of without Pippen. With LeBron's supporting cast, he would be extremely lucky to make the 2nd round, let alone the ECF.

It doesn't matter that lebron averaged 38/8/8 because MJ wouldn't have lost to the Magic

It doesn't matter that Ordan averaged whatever he did. LeBron would've done better with the supporting casts that Ordan, against Ordan's competition.

So the Magic series demonstrates Lebron's inferiority to Jordan regardless of the stats - that's my point

No, it just exposes your rodent level IQ and lack of understanding actual basketball, which stems from - a. Your rodent level intellect and b. You never having watched a minute of basketball.

n the context of comparing lebron to mj, lebron is the reason for the loss because MJ wouldn't have lost that series - and I think it's been explained extensively as to why

Ordan wouldn't have lost that series, because he wouldn't have made it out of the first round. This has been well documented. 1-9 without Pippen. Again, in '09, in LeBron's place, Ordan would've been swept in the first round, due to the lack to Mr. Pippen.

MJ would've gotten doubled thus spurring ball movement, and Stan would've had to play him a lot different because of the off-ball aspect (shading and doubling MJ off screens and pindowns, etc)... But against Lebron's skillset, just play him straight up... .. fukn hilarious

You rodent intellect [COLOR="black"]f[/COLOR]uck. Let me try again.

1. The reason why LeBron wasn't doubled was because LeBron would rape the Magic with his passing.

2. LeBron's supporting cast was significantly inferior to the players on the Magic (outside Dwight).

3. The Cavs had no one to contain Dwight and it showed with the difference of his play from the ECF to the Finals.

4. Ordan lost series while averaging better numbers. How did that happen?

[3ball]

No one agrees with you except your fellow Lebron haters.

SVG agrees - he said lebron doesn't punish you enough as a scorer to double him

Obviously, mj was never beaten that way - he was beaten BY double teaming (the Pistons used the Jordan Rules, aka double-teaming)

Double teams allow a team to swing the ball and scramble the defense - a lebron-team can't do this against SVG, while an MJ team can.. Since double teams spur ball movement, the lack of double teams is a primary reason lebron's teams have low ball movement (in addition to his ball-dominant skillset as a frontcourt player).

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I'll give you 2010.

Lebron had the weirdass "elbowgate" incident.

Blaming him for 2009 is dumb as hell though Even if you compare him with Jordan, its a futile argument. MJ's Cleveland team would have looked wayyy different. In 2009, Mo Williams was a pretty good compliment to Lebron. With Jordan? I don't think he would be. Comparing him to Scottie is insane.

[aj1987]

How many titles had Phil won before Jordan got him?
How many titles has Pop won without Duncan?

All time greats lead their teams to titles and the coachea' legacies keep getting enhanced.
If Lebron had won 4 titles in Miami when the Heat had the most talented roster in the entire league, Spolstra' legacy would be better.

That would make more sense if Wade was healthy past '11. Not making excuses for LeBron's awful performance in the '11 Finals, but even in the '11 Finals, Wade was injured.

https://www.espn.in/nba/truehoop/mia...ory?id=6646323

Even with LeBron's choke, the Heat would've won without Wade's injury (story of Wade's career ).

I clarified things in the post at the top of the previous page, which ill reiterate:

In the context of Lebron vs. MJ, the loss is lebron's fault because mj would've won that series - the method that Stan said he used to beat Lebron wouldn't work on MJ (Pistons needed the "Jordan Rules", especially after Game 3 in 89')

Stan would have to double Jordan, and also deal woth the off-ball aspect - shading and doubling MJ off screens and pindowns, etc, versus playing straight-up versus lebron's skillset.. night and day.. Lebron was a massive favorite and should've won if we're comparing him to mj
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Ordan wouldn't have lost that series, because he wouldn't have made it out of the first round. This has been well documented. 1-9 without Pippen. Again, in '09, in LeBron's place, Ordan would've been swept in the first round, due to the lack to Mr. Pippen.

You rodent intellect ****. Let me try again.

1. The reason why LeBron wasn't doubled was because LeBron would rape the Magic with his passing.

2. LeBron's supporting cast was significantly inferior to the players on the Magic (outside Dwight).

3. The Cavs had no one to contain Dwight and it showed with the difference of his play from the ECF to the Finals.

4. Ordan lost series while averaging better numbers. How did that happen?