Here's audio of SVG saying the plan was to let Lebron score in 09' ECF

[StrongLurk]

SVG agrees - he said lebron doesn't punish you enough as a scorer to double him

Obviously, mj was never beaten that way - he was beaten BY double teaming (the Pistons used the Jordan Rules, aka double-teaming)

Double teams allow a team to swing the ball and scramble the defense - a lebron-team can't do this against SVG, while an MJ team can.. Since double teams spur ball movement, the lack of double teams is a primary reason lebron's teams have low ball movement (in addition to his ball-dominant skillset as a frontcourt player).

SVG thinks Bron is better than MJ.

[3ball]

You actually did though, you inbred [COLOR="Black"]f[/COLOR]aggot. You said that several times.

Here's your original quote:

"The topic came up again when Stay Van Gundy recently said he exploited lebron's ball-dominant, iso-heavy skillset in that series (empty stats), which is how his underdog Magic beat Lebron's heavily-favored, 60-win, 1 seed.. it was the only thing Dwight and Stan did before or since.. "

[COLOR="Navy"]You literally said LeBron was the reason why the Cavs lost that series[/COLOR].

Then I clarified my poor articulation by saying that lebron is the reason for the loss [I]within the context of Lebron vs MJ, since MJ would've won the series..

(by not being susceptible to the strategy that SVG bragged he used on lebron to win, and also because mj simply never lost as a favorite, let alone massive favorite)

Except for the FACT that the Magic would've obliterated Ordan. We've seen what the choker was capable of without Pippen. With LeBron's supporting cast, he would be extremely lucky to make the 2nd round, let alone the ECF.

Pippen averaged 9.7 ppg on 39.7% when MJ took the the Bad Boys 6 Games in 89' ECF

So Mo Williams' 18 on 38% would be more than enough to beat a dwight team..

Heck, MJ's 6 seed beat the #1 SRS in the league in 89' (57-win Cavs) with Pippen getting 15.0 on 39.7% - so a 1 seed plus Mo's better production would easily beat Dwight in 09'

It doesn't matter that Ordan averaged whatever he did. LeBron would've done better with the supporting casts that Ordan, against Ordan's competition.

You ignored/omitted the other context of that sentence

I said that lebron's stats didn't matter when his teammates were being bottled up by a stay-at-home defense, due to lebron's lack of doubles

Yes, we know his nice-looking stats kept the Cavs in the game, but a better approach (attracting doubles) would've resulted in better TEAM production

Ordan wouldn't have lost that series, because he wouldn't have made it out of the first round. This has been well documented. 1-9 without Pippen. Again, in '09, in LeBron's place, Ordan would've been swept in the first round, due to the lack to Mr. Pippen.

It's funny because lebron can't win a ring without 2 star teammates - thays an actual fact - whereas we all know mj can make 2nd Rd without pip...

You rodent intellect [COLOR="black"]f[/COLOR]uck. Let me try again.

1. The reason why [COLOR="Navy"]Lebron wasn't doubled was because Lebron would rape the Magic with his passing.[/COLOR]

Yes, but to rape the Magic with passing, Lebron has to actually GET doubled - that didn't happen because SVG says he doesn't punish enough as a scorer..

and btw, anyone that gets doubled can rape an opponent with passing just by giving up the ball and watching the defense scramble as the ball is swung (like when curry or anyone gets doubled)

double teams cause a scrambling defense and ball movement, which is optimal basketball.. but lebron's cavs couldn't play this way because SVG said he wasn't worth doubling

2. [COLOR="DarkRed"]LeBron's supporting cast was significantly inferior[/COLOR] to the players on the Magic (outside Dwight).

Gtfo, the Cavs were massive favorites and the magic were without their all-star PG

3. [COLOR="DarkRed"]The Cavs had no one to contain Dwight[/COLOR] and it showed with the difference of his play from the ECF to the Finals.

YES, SO HE ATTRACTED DOUBLES... .. you rat f.uck

4. Ordan lost series while averaging better numbers. [COLOR="Navy"]How did that happen?[/COLOR]

an actual talent deficit and ubderdog status

[RRR3]

MJ would not have won that series lmao.

Name a single time he won a series with a second option on Mo Williams’ level as a player.

[3ball]

SVG [COLOR="Red"]thinks[/COLOR] Bron is better than MJ.

^^^thats an opinion though

His statements about not doubling lebron and their strategy were fact and the historical record

[Wally450]

[QUOTE=RRR3]MJ would not have won that series lmao.

Name a single time he won a series with a second option on Mo Williams

[StrongLurk]

^^^thats an opinion though

His statements about not doubling lebron and their strategy were fact and the historical record

They did double Lebron though, you should watch the series again.

And Stan thinking Lebron is better than MJ means he thinks he can gameplan better for MJ than Lebron. You should know this if it's the head coaches "opinion".

All you are doing is melting down and not convincing anybody of anything.

[3ball]

They did double Lebron though, you should watch the series again.

And Stan thinking Lebron is better than MJ means he thinks he can gameplan better for MJ than Lebron. You should know this if it's the head coaches "opinion".

All you are doing is melting down and not convincing anybody of anything.

SVG said they didn't double, and they didn't just like the Spurs and Warriors didn't in 14', 15', 17', and 18 Finals

That's the historical record, and SVG's opinion of mj vs lebron is therefore less important

Even ESPN showed clip where they said lebron was doubled 5% of his touches in the 15' Finals, and how that was ridiculously low

And no, "harder to beat" doesn't have to equal "goat" in someone's mind.. his strategy against lebron ("straight up") certainly appears to be simpler than what it would be for mj (doubles and also off-ball defense, i.e. shading/doubling on screens, pindowns, etc

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Then I clarified my poor articulation by saying that lebron is the reason for the loss [I]within the context of Lebron vs MJ, since MJ would've won the series..

Ordan wouldn't have lost that series, because he wouldn't have made it out of the first round. This has been well documented. 1-9 without Pippen. Again, in '09, in LeBron's place, Ordan would've been swept in the first round, due to the lack to Mr. Pippen.

(by not being susceptible to the strategy that SVG bragged he used on lebron to win, and also because mj simply never lost as a favorite, let alone massive favorite)

You rodent intellect ****. Let me try again.

1. The reason why LeBron wasn't doubled was because LeBron would rape the Magic with his passing.

2. LeBron's supporting cast was significantly inferior to the players on the Magic (outside Dwight).

3. The Cavs had no one to contain Dwight and it showed with the difference of his play from the ECF to the Finals.

4. Ordan lost series while averaging better numbers. How did that happen?

Pippen averaged 9.7 ppg on 39.7% when MJ took the the Bad Boys 6 Games in 89' ECF

So what you're saying is that Ordan killed the team by marginalizing his teammates and thus losing the series? Maybe if Ordan doesn't play cancer ball, the Bulls would've won the series.

So Mo Williams' 18 on 38% would be more than enough to beat a dwight team..

Not really, considering the FACT that the Bulls shot better than Pistons overall and still lost. MJ's cancerous style of basketball lost them that series.

Heck, MJ's 6 seed beat the #1 SRS in the league in 89' (57-win Cavs) with Pippen getting 15.0 on 39.7% - so a 1 seed plus Mo's better production would easily beat Dwight in 09'

LeBron on a 55 win team beat a 73 win (GOAT Team) in the Finals, and he did that while leading both teams in all the five major statistical categories. The only person in the history of the sport to ever do it in ANY series.

You ignored/omitted the other context of that sentence

I said that lebron's stats didn't matter when his teammates were being bottled up by a stay-at-home defense, due to lebron's lack of doubles

Yes, we know his nice-looking stats kept the Cavs in the game, but a better approach (attracting doubles) would've resulted in better TEAM production

How did all that attraction of double teams help Ordan when he went 1-9? A career loser who couldn't get past the first round without Pippen.

Meanwhile, LeBron was making the Finals with the likes of Boobie Gibson and the person whose word you're using as gospel called him the GOAT.

That shit much burn extremely deep, you glue huffing [COLOR="Black"]f[/COLOR]aggot.

It's funny because lebron can't win a ring without 2 star teammates - thays an actual fact - whereas we all know mj can make 2nd Rd without pip...

Except for the ACTUAL FACT that Ordan NEVER made it past the first round without Pippen. Dude was a cancerous loser without Pippen. That's a fact. Funny how you don't know shit about your own idol, shit for brains.

Yes, but to rape the Magic with passing, Lebron has to actually GET doubled - that didn't happen because SVG says he doesn't punish enough as a scorer..

That's because:

[Manny98]

3ball getting wrecked jesus

[And1AllDay]

no pip no chip

1-9

we done ?

[StrongLurk]

SVG said they didn't double, and they didn't just like the Spurs and Warriors didn't in 14', 15', 17', and 18 Finals

That's the historical record, and SVG's opinion of mj vs lebron is therefore less important

Even ESPN showed clip where they said lebron was doubled 5% of his touches in the 15' Finals, and how that was ridiculously low

And no, "harder to beat" doesn't have to equal "goat" in someone's mind.. his strategy against lebron ("straight up") certainly appears to be simpler than what it would be for mj (doubles and also off-ball defense, i.e. shading/doubling on screens, pindowns, etc

Lebron WAS double teamed though, that is historical record.

It was SVG's opinion that they "didn't double", which could mean they didn't double AS MUCH as they could other superstars who couldn't pass like Lebron.

But Lebron was absolutely doubled teams often in the 09 Magic series.

Also, SVG thinks Lebron is better than MJ, hence harder to stop from having impact.

3ball doesn't have a single coherent argument in this thread, which is hilarious. Keep tripping over your own feet.

[3ball]

3ball getting wrecked jesus

No my post #122 destroyed him, so he copy-pasted all the same things that #122 just resoonded to, as his responses to #122.... like a child... .. 3ball wins

[3ball]

Lebron WAS double teamed though, that is historical record.

It was SVG's opinion that they "didn't double", which could mean they didn't double AS MUCH as they could other superstars who couldn't pass like Lebron.

But Lebron was absolutely doubled teams often in the 09 Magic series.

Also, SVG thinks Lebron is better than MJ, hence harder to stop from having impact.

based on SVG's actual comments, we can assume that at a minimum, he wanted his team's overall inclination to be not to double Lebron - i.e. don't gamble with it - only when it won't hurt the team

Lebron also wasn't doubled vs the Spurs or Warriors... This is common knowledge - this popped up with a simple google search -

Since lebron doesn't get doubled and has a ball-dominant skillset, his teams lack premium ball movement thay can effectively compete on the championship level..

Btw, you keep saying that if Lebron got doubled, he would effectively pass and destroy it - but he doesn't get doubled, and therefore can be defeated like SVG and others have done.. If he could beat you with scoring, then SVG's strategy wouldn't work - but apparently he's not beating you with scoring and never has - does he have any series victories where he averages 35+....

[StrongLurk]

based on SVG's actual comments, we can assume that at a minimum, he wanted his team's overall inclination to be not to double Lebron - i.e. don't gamble with it - only when it won't hurt the team

Lebron also wasn't doubled vs the Spurs or Warriors... This is common knowledge - this popped up with a simple google search -

Since lebron doesn't get doubled and has a ball-dominant skillset, his teams lack premium ball movement thay can effectively compete on the championship level..

Btw, you keep saying that if Lebron got doubled, he would effectively pass and destroy it - but he doesn't get doubled, and therefore can be defeated like SVG and others have done.. If he could beat you with scoring, then SVG's strategy wouldn't work - but apparently he's not beating you with scoring and never has - does he have any series victories where he averages 35+....

Lebron WAS double teamed though, that is historical record.

It was SVG's opinion that they "didn't double", which could mean they didn't double AS MUCH as they could other superstars who couldn't pass like Lebron.

But Lebron was absolutely doubled teams often in the 09 Magic series.

Also, SVG thinks Lebron is better than MJ, hence harder to stop from having impact. MJ saw single coverage in his career plenty of times as well due to defensive rules.

[3ball]