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Scottie Pippen Top 50 Nba Finals
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Re: Scottie Pippen Top 50 Nba Finals
What a monster he was. Boxscore watchers may not understand his real value.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Scottie Pippen Top 50 Nba Finals
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Everyone has highlights, but Pippen has the most number of horrible performances ever:
1988 PLAYOFFS:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 10.0 on 46.5%
1989 PLAYOFFS:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 13.1 on 46.2%
1990 ECF[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] vs[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] DET:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.6 on 42.8%
1992 ECSF vs NYN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.0 on 40.2%
1993 RD 1 vs. ATL:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 15.0 on 42.2%
1995 ECSF vs ORL:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 19.0 on 40.9%
1996 ECSF vs NYN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 15.6 on 33.0%
1996 FINAL vs SEA:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 15.7 on 34.3%
1997 RD 1 vs WAS:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.7 on 38.3%
1997 ECF[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] vs. MIA:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.8 on 41.7%
1998 ECF[COLOR="White"]S[/COLOR] vs[COLOR="White"]N[/COLOR] IND:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.6 on 39.2%
1998 FINAL vs UTA:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 15.7 on 41.0%
Pippen's defense only gave Bulls the 7th, 4th, and 7th best defenses from 91-93', so
why do we say Pippen's defense makes up for his many series of 15 ppg on 33-40%???
(bulls' defensive rankings from 1st three-peat are used because that's Pip's stand alone impact without Rodman)
[COLOR="Navy"]Garnett, Duncan, Payton and others were equal or better defenders than Pippen, and we'd never accept 15 on 33% from them in their prime.. that would be massive black marks on their careers forever
Pippen's many horrific series should be looked at the same way (as black marks)[/COLOR] - this would elevate MJ more for carrying the offense with goat scoring, while achieving the goat scoring in a system designed for role players (elevating teammates)..
Ultimately, MJ won as "the man" twice as much as anyone in modern history (6 rings to 3), while being #1 in PPG, efficiency rating, and 2-way accolades - but this unmatchable goat resume gets underrated because of shenanigans like overrating Pippen above the help that others had
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Last edited by 3ball; 09-29-2019 at 03:53 AM.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Scottie Pippen Top 50 Nba Finals
Originally Posted by 3ball
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Everyone has highlights, but Pippen has the most number of horrible performances ever:
1988 PLAYOFFS:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 10.0 on 46.5%
1989 PLAYOFFS:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 13.1 on 46.2%
1990 ECF[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] vs[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] DET:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.6 on 42.8%
1992 ECSF vs NYN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.0 on 40.2%
1993 RD 1 vs. ATL:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 15.0 on 42.2%
1995 ECSF vs ORL:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 19.0 on 40.9%
1996 ECSF vs NYN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 15.6 on 33.0%
1996 FINAL vs SEA:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 15.7 on 34.3%
1997 RD 1 vs WAS:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.7 on 38.3%
1997 ECF[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] vs. MIA:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.8 on 41.7%
1998 ECF[COLOR="White"]S[/COLOR] vs[COLOR="White"]N[/COLOR] IND:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.6 on 39.2%
1998 FINAL vs UTA:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 15.7 on 41.0%
Pippen's defense only gave Bulls the 7th, 4th, and 7th best defenses from 91-93', so
why do we say Pippen's defense makes up for his many series of 15 ppg on 33-40%???
(bulls' defensive rankings from 1st three-peat are used because that's Pip's stand alone impact without Rodman)
[COLOR="Navy"]Garnett, Duncan, Payton and others were equal or better defenders than Pippen, and we'd never accept 15 on 33% from them in their prime.. that would be massive black marks on their careers forever
Pippen's many horrific series should be looked at the same way (as black marks)[/COLOR] - this would elevate MJ more for carrying the offense with goat scoring, while achieving the goat scoring in a system designed for role players (elevating teammates)..
Ultimately, MJ won as "the man" twice as much as anyone in modern history (6 rings to 3), while being #1 in PPG, efficiency rating, and 2-way accolades - but this unmatchable goat resume gets underrated because of shenanigans like overrating Pippen above the help that others had
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When you are such an obsessed worthless fakkot you have to bury every single player who ever played with your crush. It's five years later and you are still spending hours upon the day with this bullshit. I digress, though. Be you , bro.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Scottie Pippen Top 50 Nba Finals
Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents
Voted one of the 50 greatest ever just 9 years into his career for a reason
Yeah because he was as lucky enough to land next to the goat, so his ordinary stats look extra special
Otherwise he'd be just another 17 ppg great athlete like Jeff Green... I'd say Jimmy Butler but Butler became a much better offensive player - Pippen needed MJ to give his Jeff Green scoring ability a 6-time champion ring to it
But guys like Garnett, Duncan, Payton and others were equal or better defenders than Pippen, yet we'd never accept 15 on 33% from them in their prime.. that would be massive black marks on their careers forever
Accordingly, Pippen's many horrific series should be looked at the same way (as black marks).. it's amazing that anyone could win 6 rings with such anemic offensive help from a #2 option.. you would think that a 6-time champion #2 option would average 27 or 29 like Wade/Kyrie.. not 15 on 33% many times over
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Last edited by 3ball; 09-29-2019 at 05:10 AM.
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New York baby!!
Re: Scottie Pippen Top 50 Nba Finals
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Our Lord & Savior
Re: Scottie Pippen Top 50 Nba Finals
There's a reason his the best SF of the 90's
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Scottie Pippen Top 50 Nba Finals
Originally Posted by SpaceJam
There's a reason his the best SF of the 90's
Wade is the #2 shooting guard ever (excluding mj)
Pippen is nowhere near the #2 SF - Bird, Durant, Lebron, Kawhi, Dr. J.... So not even top 5... Elgin Baylor was also better (38/18) and many more
Originally Posted by SpaceJam
- could Pippen lead his team to the Finals twice, average 26 vs the Bad Boys, or 25-30 vs MJ and others?... So how can he match Drexler?...
- can he have numerous 55-win seasons and make the conference finals after beating Magic's 1 seed, while routinely getting 22/11 apg in his sleep?... - so how is he better than KJ??
- can he win FMVP or average 26 ppg as 1st option in various series over Kareem and Magic??.. So how is he better than worthy?
- Could he have a legendary duel with Bird in the playoffs like Dominique?
Ultimately, take the 6 rings away and just look at his game and stats - many guys were better, but they didn't get their resume boosted by the goat..
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Our Lord & Savior
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Scottie Pippen Top 50 Nba Finals
Originally Posted by SpaceJam
MJ couldn't win without a top 10 all time teammate at his position
Bron did
Lebron can't win without a top 3 all-time SG, or the best 2nd option performance ever
and he needs a top 3 PF in the league as 3rd option on top of that
That's more help than MJ, even without considering bron's superior rim protection teammates and among the best 3-point shooting in the league... ... It's not even close
It's so dumb for lebron fans to argue about supporting cast - no one had more help than LeDecision
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Our Lord & Savior
Re: Scottie Pippen Top 50 Nba Finals
Rings without a top 10 teammate at their position.
MJ - 0
Bron - 1
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New York baby!!
Re: Scottie Pippen Top 50 Nba Finals
Originally Posted by 3ball
It's so dumb for lebron fans to argue about supporting cast - no one had more help than LeDecision
Incorrect. Noone had more help than Durant. 2017 Warriors. Stacked.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Scottie Pippen Top 50 Nba Finals
Originally Posted by SpaceJam
Rings without a top 10 teammate at their position.
MJ - 0
Bron - 1
Rings without a top 3 SG, or the goat 2nd option performance:
Bron - 0
MJ - 6
Rings without a top 4 PF in the league:
Bron - 0
MJ - 6
Rings without good rim protection and/or nearly the best 3-pt shooting in the league:
Bron - 0
MJ - 6
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Last edited by 3ball; 09-29-2019 at 06:40 AM.
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Our Lord & Savior
Re: Scottie Pippen Top 50 Nba Finals
Rings without Phil Jackson.
MJ - 0
Bron - 3
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