Osama Bin Laden vs Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi

[iamgine]

Who's the bigger kill?

[Loco 50]

Which one stopped foreign and/or domestic terrorism? Pls and tks

[diamenz]

i can see this getting very stupid.

[rufuspaul]

I'd call it a draw. Bin Laden killed more Americans and caused billions in damage on American soil. al-Baghdadi controlled large swaths of territory in 3 countries and brutally murdered and tortured thousands, had captive sex slaves, forced conversions, etc.

[FultzNationRISE]

All this shit is fake

[bladefd]

Bin Laden had the guts to attack America directly, in our pearl jewels. The Pentagon plane was probably aimed at the White House and the plane in Indiana/Ohio field for Sears tower. Our nation was almost brought to its knees afterwards as we threw away trillions in Iraq then probably another trillion in Afghanistan. We are still there. Our economy went into major recession, coming to its knees. We also went nuts creating Homeland Security, raised our military spending and went berserk over the Mexican border. We have been in perpetual war ever since 9/11. Bin Laden had his spies spread across Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, even Saudi Arabia (possibly funded by Saudi Arabia and Pakistani ISI).

Baghdadi was never a threat to American homeland, at least not yet. He wanted to control the Middle East before coming for America. He butchered thousands, was self-funded, was gaining supporters by the day and had initial success before his ISIS was pushed. They were powerful for a short time compared to Bin Laden, who was in hiding for almost 2 decades, always escaping.

Both were huge threats but the bigger kill has to be Bin Laden, who was on CIA terrorist list since the early 90s, perhaps 80s. He took years to track, watch and take down. Keep in mind the circumstances too. He was behind Pakistani protection so we had to act very quickly and pull out very quickly before Pakistani army/airforce arrived. Oh and how about that helicopter that malfunctioned?

[FultzNationRISE]

Bin Laden had the guts to attack America directly, in our pearl jewels. The Pentagon plane was probably aimed at the White House and the plane in Indiana/Ohio field for Sears tower. Our nation was almost brought to its knees afterwards as we threw away trillions in Iraq then probably another trillion in Afghanistan. We are still there. Our economy went into major recession, coming to its knees. We also went nuts creating Homeland Security, raised our military spending and went berserk over the Mexican border. We have been in perpetual war ever since 9/11. Bin Laden had his spies spread across Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, even Saudi Arabia (possibly funded by Saudi Arabia and Pakistani ISI).

Baghdadi was never a threat to American homeland, at least not yet. He wanted to control the Middle East before coming for America. He butchered thousands, was self-funded, was gaining supporters by the day and had initial success before his ISIS was pushed. They were powerful for a short time compared to Bin Laden, who was in hiding for almost 2 decades, always escaping.

Both were huge threats but the bigger kill has to be Bin Laden, who was on CIA terrorist list since the early 90s, perhaps 80s. He took years to track, watch and take down. Keep in mind the circumstances too. He was behind Pakistani protection so we had to act very quickly and pull out very quickly before Pakistani army/airforce arrived. Oh and how about that helicopter that malfunctioned?

Do you believe some ragheads in a cave actually had the motivation and means to make this happen or do you believe it was a course of action plotted all along by powerful global interests, many of whom disguise themselves as US leaders?

[bladefd]

9/11 made people fearful/paranoid and go berserk behavior-wise.. So you can say Bin Laden impacted our every day life both directly and indirectly. We (well our politicians and others like bankers) made decisions out of fear. We drove ourselves crazy after 9/11.. Trillions in Iraq alone will be seen in a century as the beginning of America's demise because we shot ourselves in the foot.. That was just 1 piece to the "demise pie" but a crucial one. We are so far in debt sinking-hole now that we don't know how to get out..

[ILLsmak]

I dunno if these dudes are even dead, real talk. Some shit we just dunno. It's like cool story bro. Doesn't make me feel good.

-Smak

[FultzNationRISE]

9/11 made people fearful/paranoid and go berserk behavior-wise.. So you can say Bin Laden impacted our every day life both directly and indirectly. We (well our politicians and others like bankers) made decisions out of fear. We drove ourselves crazy after 9/11.. Trillions in Iraq alone will be seen in a century as the beginning of America's demise because we shot ourselves in the foot.. That was just 1 piece to the "demise pie" but a crucial one. We are so far in debt sinking-hole now that we don't know how to get out..

But you do think that either the ragheads planned it all to happen just that way or it was a total coincidence, is that correct? The most powerful interests in the country meant well for all of us, they just happened to transform the whole nation into some totalitarian movie out of sheer ineptitude. And by a genuine coincidence, they happened to benefit massively.

The one thing that definitely was NOT the case, was that an attack on the country was conceived by interests in America as an impetus for all these actions.


Am I correct that this is your viewpoint?

[bladefd]

It's irrelevant whether that was their exact goals all along (get Americans to invade Iraq, bring down the economy, create Homeland security & out of control NSA, increase military funding up the wazoo, etc etc). Bin Laden obviously wanted to bring America to its knees by causing chaos, and they succeeded.. We have been at a perpetual war in the middle east every since blowing away billions).

[FultzNationRISE]

It's irrelevant whether that was their exact goals all along (get Americans to invade Iraq, bring down the economy, create Homeland security & out of control NSA, increase military funding up the wazoo, etc etc). Bin Laden obviously wanted to bring America to its knees by causing chaos, and they succeeded.. We have been at a perpetual war in the middle east every since blowing away billions).

It’s IRRELEVANT whether American-based interests, some of whom may still be in positions of power today, were involved in the conception of 9/11 to further their own interests!????

That’s IRRELEVANT????




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[bladefd]

Irrelevant to Bin Laden. His only goal was to cause chaos in America. They succeeded. We became paranoid and rest is history..

There were also other greedy scumbags in America who saw opportunity and jumped aboard. But that's a separate story for another day. We are discussing what these 2 terrorists did and I guess comparing their impacts. If you want to discuss bankers/contractors/CEOs/housing crisis and fraud/greed screwing up our economy, we can open a new thread.

[highwhey]

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[FultzNationRISE]

yikes, different thread...same meltdown

When you have nothing to discuss, but still BADLY need the attention of other Insidehoops users...