Kawhi is NOT even a top 25 player of all time.

[StrongLurk]

Even if he won a "3rd FMVP" (his first one doesn't even matter when it comes to all-time player debates since he was just a super role player at the time).

Kawhi is about to end his 9th NBA season...and he STILL doesn't even have 10,000 career total points...He also has only had TWO elite playoff runs (last year) and the 2017 playoffs.

He just has not done enough as far as "production" to warrant top 25. Casuals are being blinded by his rings/FMVPs and not putting context behind the hardware.

[TheCorporation]

Don't forget he has ZERO MVPs.

Top 10 is 1 MVP minimum

Sorry Kawhit

[red1]

I was really rooting for kawhi and playoff pee this year. that kid patrick beverly is also dogshit, I completely understand why he always gets these dog comparisons.

[superduper]

His peak form is among the best ever and that is hard to argue against.

[DoctorP]

id still take him over lebron in the clutch. thats a no brainer

[Turbo Slayer]

id still take him over lebron in the clutch. thats a no brainer

Thats recency bias. You have to take into account their whole careers and LeBron is clearly better.

[Turbo Slayer]

Kawhi is an interesting case.

[STATUTORY]

peak>longevity

[StrongLurk]

peak>longevity

He doesn't even HAVE any longevity, so he's not even in that discussion. He's had three elite years...and that's it. Everyone in the top 25 had at least double or even triple the amount of elite years that Kawhi has had.

Are you really gonna try to rank Kawhi over a D-wade, Dirk, Dr. J, David Robinson, or Isaiah Thomas?

I'll be happy to rank Kawhi higher than what he is now if he continues this level of play for 3-4 more seasons.

[tpols]

Kawhi is one of those guys that may not have the career stats, but his game when it counts is just dominant.

Antwan Jamison and melo will probably lap him in totals despite being totally inferior as players.

long story short... it doesnt mean shit.

[warriorfan]

You are right he’s top 20 or top 15 especially since he got robbed of a chip this year.

[red1]

kawhi really needs that ring more than any other player in the league. he's got that questionable, aka nonexistent longevity. unlike the lakers who will definitely have another year or two in the tank after this rigged season from silver.


speaking of pencil-necks, silver and others have been getting payments under the table from ballmer. which explains the forum and the paul george gift from okc.

[TheCorporation]

peak>longevity

So LeBron > *

Thanks

[Doranku]

kawhi really needs that ring more than any other player in the league. he's got that questionable, aka nonexistent longevity. unlike the lakers who will definitely have another year or two in the tank after this rigged season from silver.


speaking of pencil-necks, silver and others have been getting payments under the table from ballmer. which explains the forum and the paul george gift from okc.

Eh, not so sure I agree with that. Kawhi is the defending FMVP and just gave a city it's first ring in franchise history. I'd say guys like Harden and Giannis need it more for that ultimate validation that comes with leading a team to a title. Kawhi already has that.

[bizil]

He's not YET! BUT he's certainly on that path if he stays healthy. And he DOESN'T even need another ring to hit top 25. He just needs more longevity being a great player. His peak-prime shit in my opinion is looking to be in the top 5 ever at the SF spot. U got Bron, Bird, KD, and Doc in that mix. But Kawhi has proved to be on that level when u see what he's capable of. And he's gonna go down as the best two player EVER at the SF spot if the health holds up. Hell among ALL PERIMETER PLAYERS MJ, Kawhi, and Mamba are the top two way players ever. DPOY shit AND alpha dog scoring in one package! The question is could Kawhi be in the top 10-15 GOAT legends down the road. Top 25 (although he's not there yet) is a mere formality if he stays healthy. Longevity does count for something. BUT the huge edge he has is two rings, two Finals MVPs, and two DPOYS. He has SICK ACCOLADES ALREADY to match his peak-prime play thus far. Those things can SUPERCEDE longevity if u are a player in Kawhi's level. BUT he isn't top 25 yet. Just saying rings and Finals MVPs boost a legend's standing on the GOAT chart. The fact he ALREADY has those out of the way in his 20's is an advantage.