CNN reports that up to 80,000 people have been infected in Santa Clara county.

[Long Duck Dong]

USC and LA Department of Public Health reporting up to nearly half a million people in LA County could have antibodies for COVID-19. That's 4.1% of the population.

USC and the health department released preliminary study results that found that an estimated 4.1% of the county's adult population has antibodies to the coronavirus, estimating that between 221,000 adults to 442,000 adults in the county have had the infection.

This new estimate is 28 to 55 times higher than the 7,994 confirmed cases of Covid-19 reported to the county through early April. The number of coronavirus-related deaths in the county has now surpassed 600, according to the Department of Public Health. The data, if correct, would mean that the county's fatality rate is lower than originally thought.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/20/coro...ted-cases.html

[tpols]

^

well that tilts things either one of two ways.

1) the death rate on this is similar to a common cold.

or

2) it's just another bullshit study. Like when they claimed 25 million cases and ended up with 25k.


Either way... how the hell are you still falling for this? They've clearly been off on all of their "studies" and projections" by MASSIVE orders of magnitude. And yet... we still hear people giving them credibility. It's almost like people are infatuated with the panic. They like it. Gives some excitement to their lives outside venturing out to Walmart.

[rawimpact]

^

well that tilts things either one of two ways.

1) the death rate on this is similar to a common cold.

or

2) it's just another bullshit study. Like when they claimed 25 million cases and ended up with 25k.


Either way... how the hell are you still falling for this? They've clearly been off on all of their "studies" and projections" by MASSIVE orders of magnitude. And yet... we still hear people giving them credibility. It's almost like people are infatuated with the panic. They like it. Gives some excitement to their lives outside venturing out to Walmart.

The sensitivity of this test is still up for question no?

[Cleverness]

USC and LA Department of Public Health reporting up to nearly half a million people in LA County could have antibodies for COVID-19. That's 4.1% of the population.



https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/20/coro...ted-cases.html

yup.

fatality rate on par with flu

spreads hella easily. maybe a 2 year lockdown would help prevent the spread, but jfc let's get real

curve has been flattened like a pancake

let's allow people to support their families again

[MaxFly]

well that tilts things either one of two ways.

1) the death rate on this is similar to a common cold.

or

2) it's just another bullshit study. Like when they claimed 25 million cases and ended up with 25k.

Even if the numbers are accurate and many more people are proven to have contracted COVID-19, the average American gets 2 to 3 colds a year... hundreds of millions of people, and many with strong immune systems who hardly get sick or display symptoms. The death rate of COVID-19 is not comparable to the death rate of the common cold.

[MaxFly]

yup.

fatality rate on par with flu

45,000 people in the US have died in the last month from this, and that's with pretty extensive lockdowns across the country. I don't know, man... when was the last time 45,000 people died from the flu in a month in spite of extensive lockdowns?

[Lakers Legend#32]

Trump won't give a sh!t.

[Cleverness]

45,000 people in the US have died in the last month from this, and that's with pretty extensive lockdowns across the country. I don't know, man... when was the last time 45,000 people died from the flu in a month in spite of extensive lockdowns?

That's a good take. Btw we have a flu vaccine, so I imagine without the vaccine the flu would be... a lot more deadlier than COVID-19?

If someone dies with flu-like symptoms or suspected to have the flu, do doctors always classify it as a flu death?
Same with colds/rhinoviruses. Do doctors always say the patient died of a cold/virus if they had one when they died?

I am still skeptical about how deaths are classified. We naturally want to take the simple approach and say "Jim died from x." Kobe died because the helicopter crashed. Paul Walker died because of a car accident. Robin Williams died from suicide. Heath Ledger died from drug overdose. Amy Winehouse died from alcohol poisoning.

But when elderly stage 4 CHF w/ COPD smokers die... "they died from COVID-19" if they tested positive or had sxs of COVID-19 upon death? (Not CHF or COPD??)

And still nobody mentions # of healthy life years lost (DALYs) which should be an important factor too, right?

[SATAN]

You could have said "I'm a clueless idiot" in far less words.

[Cleverness]

You could have said "I'm a clueless idiot" in far less words.

That's your job.

[SATAN]

Cleverness is a clueless idiot.

[MaxFly]

That's a good take. Btw we have a flu vaccine, so I imagine without the vaccine the flu would be... a lot more deadlier than COVID-19?

So you're in agreement that this novel coronavirus is more dangerous right now because we don't have a vaccine and we don't have proven medications to address it like we do with the seasonal flu?

If someone dies with flu-like symptoms or suspected to have the flu, do doctors always classify it as a flu death?
Same with colds/rhinoviruses. Do doctors always say the patient died of a cold/virus if they had one when they died?

I am still skeptical about how deaths are classified. We naturally want to take the simple approach and say "Jim died from x." Kobe died because the helicopter crashed. Paul Walker died because of a car accident. Robin Williams died from suicide. Heath Ledger died from drug overdose. Amy Winehouse died from alcohol poisoning.

But when elderly stage 4 CHF w/ COPD smokers die... "they died from COVID-19" if they tested positive or had sxs of COVID-19 upon death? (Not CHF or COPD??)

From what I've understood, doctors are being careful to specify all comorbidities that may have resulted in an individual's death, and are reporting deaths as due to COVID-19 when the virus exacerbates a condition that would not have normally resulted in death for a patient. So someone who has asthma that they have successfully managed for years, and is admitted to a hospital with serious symptoms of COVID-19, would likely be marked as a COVID death if doctors determined that their asthma somehow contributed to their already difficult and labored breathing as a result of pneumonia that arose from COVID-19.

And still nobody mentions # of healthy life years lost (DALYs) which should be an important factor too, right?

Should be a factor in what, exactly? If a person's death from COVID-19 really counts?

[bladefd]

That's a good take. Btw we have a flu vaccine, so I imagine without the vaccine the flu would be... a lot more deadlier than COVID-19?

If someone dies with flu-like symptoms or suspected to have the flu, do doctors always classify it as a flu death?
Same with colds/rhinoviruses. Do doctors always say the patient died of a cold/virus if they had one when they died?

I am still skeptical about how deaths are classified. We naturally want to take the simple approach and say "Jim died from x." Kobe died because the helicopter crashed. Paul Walker died because of a car accident. Robin Williams died from suicide. Heath Ledger died from drug overdose. Amy Winehouse died from alcohol poisoning.

But when elderly stage 4 CHF w/ COPD smokers die... "they died from COVID-19" if they tested positive or had sxs of COVID-19 upon death? (Not CHF or COPD??)

And still nobody mentions # of healthy life years lost (DALYs) which should be an important factor too, right?

Flu would certainly be worse than it is with no vaccines, no treatment, no antiviral, no natural antibody from multiple bouts of exposure. Would it be deadlier than covid-19? Hard to say. It's certainly possible.

I highly doubt the common cold would be worse than covid-19. We don't vaccinate from colds. We don't use antivirals for colds afaik. We do have natural antibody to colds though..

We have treatment options for CHF. COPD too. Lots of people obviously still die from both yearly. In your case though, it depends on whether the patient's CHF/COPD was stable from meds or something and then they got COVID-19 with symptoms that put them over the top. If CHF/COPD were stabilized over years and they died after getting covid-19, they died DUE TO COVID-19..