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Re: Criteria for Bron being top 5 GOAT
Originally Posted by Roundball_Rock
Magic has 2 rings as the clear cut best player, same as Kobe. LeBron has 3 (Duncan has 4 and no one ever talks about it because it is not a legitimate category, just convenient for agendas). It is a dumb definition but if we are going to run around pushing it the same standard has to be applied across the board.
Magic at least was 1a or 1b for a couple; Kobe was a clear sidekick. Being top 5 doesn't matter when they other guy is clearly better. Pippen doesn't get credit for being top 5 alongside MJ, for example.
The Lakers sucked with Kobe, without Shaq. They were elite with Shaq, without Kobe. It is obvious who the more important player was.
Kobe sidekick? What were kareem "your goat" numbers in the last 3 or 4 finals? 1a,1b? Lol. What was worthy then, as a all star and fmvp? Have you seen some of duncan's numbers? Kobe "the sidekick" did better with shaq than duncan in some of championship years, including teammates winning fmvp's instead of him.. Why are you bringing up reg season games to diminish kobe? "Lakers sucked with kobe, better with shaq" ****ing moron, he three peated with shaq and bums and almost did the same with pau. Focus on Lebron dude.. 18 prime seasons, barely 3 ringchasing chips in a weak east with 6 finals losses, 15 years of excuses? Only kobe is not allowed to play with a superstar or HOF, or win 5/7 in a 13 year prime out West. Meanwhile you have magic & Kareem always comfortable in that top 4 spot. But but kobe had shaq, fisher and rick fox!
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Mullin >>> Bird
Re: Criteria for Bron being top 5 GOAT
Kobe did well to achieve with his limited abilities, but he is universally considered the 12th best player of all time. With time and without nostalgia I see him being cemented as the 15th best ever, meanwhile LBJ is universally a top 5 player, 90% of people have him top 3 and the only ones who don't are the people who beat Kobe in an effort to make their era seem better than this one (news flash, it wasn't).
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Let's Talks Numbers
Re: Criteria for Bron being top 5 GOAT
Man. After seeing the nerds in this thread, I'm happy that Vince, MJ, KD, Kyrie, Shaq, and Wade agree with me. Lol
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Re: Criteria for Bron being top 5 GOAT
Originally Posted by Nowitness
Kobe did well to achieve with his limited abilities, but he is universally considered the 12th best player of all time. With time and without nostalgia I see him being cemented as the 15th best ever, meanwhile LBJ is universally a top 5 player, 90% of people have him top 3 and the only ones who don't are the people who beat Kobe in an effort to make their era seem better than this one (news flash, it wasn't).
Limited abilities, kobe? Whar's your favourite lebron go to move? He has to be crazy skillful to be considered such a great player, since he lost so many damn times while ringchasing? Or is it the stats he accumulated playing in his tailor made system, made to hide his weaknesses? Why 6 finals losses after sleepwalking trough the east with superstars?
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Mullin >>> Bird
Re: Criteria for Bron being top 5 GOAT
Limited abilities, first 8 years of his career all he could do was jump, second half all he could do was fadeaway. In the end, LeBron has 3 Alpha rings, and 6 Finals appearances as either the best player on his team, or best player period. He also has 6 seasons in which he was the best player in the league. Kobe has 1 Alpha ring (2009), and one other finals in which he was either the best player on his team or overall (2008). Kobe also has 1 season in which he was the best player. 12th best player of all time, he is in the same category as a Dr J or Moses Malone, LBJ is right next to MJ, Duncan and Magic. You will soon learn to accept this sad reality.
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Re: Criteria for Bron being top 5 GOAT
Originally Posted by Nowitness
Limited abilities, first 8 years of his career all he could do was jump, second half all he could do was fadeaway. In the end, LeBron has 3 Alpha rings, and 6 Finals appearances as either the best player on his team, or best player period. He also has 6 seasons in which he was the best player in the league. Kobe has 1 Alpha ring (2009), and one other finals in which he was either the best player on his team or overall (2008). Kobe also has 1 season in which he was the best player. 12th best player of all time, he is in the same category as a Dr J or Moses Malone, LBJ is right next to MJ, Duncan and Magic. You will soon learn to accept this sad reality.
Lebron really not giving you bronsexuals enough to work with, that's unfair towards his fans, so many losses, flaws, decisions and shutdowns, all he can give you guys are stats and media awards and you just have to dumb down your bball knowledge like this just for that overrated media darling. Sad.
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Mullin >>> Bird
Re: Criteria for Bron being top 5 GOAT
LBJ is blasted for being an outspoken social critic willing to protect his fellow man, Kobe survived raping someone. I know who the media protects more, not sure about you.
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Re: Criteria for Bron being top 5 GOAT
Originally Posted by Nowitness
LBJ is blasted for being an outspoken social critic willing to protect his fellow man, Kobe survived raping someone. I know who the media protects more, not sure about you.
Keep protecting that Dumbass who thinks he's malcolm x with a nike contract and keep siding with them golddigging whores, you're ****ing soft like your boy. Bringing up rape because i brought up lebron's flaws in his game. Jezus bronsexuals
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MH!
Re: Criteria for Bron being top 5 GOAT
Originally Posted by Axe
Pfft. Says teh retarded filthy maggot who loves to drink pee and eat turd for breakfast...
Please do us all a favor and go play on a freeway, you subhuman cretin.
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05-29-2020, 11:59 AM
#100
I rule the local playground
Re: Criteria for Bron being top 5 GOAT
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05-29-2020, 12:44 PM
#101
NBA All-star
Re: Criteria for Bron being top 5 GOAT
Combination of peak lvl play and meaningful longevity. Bron is top 5 in both so he should be considered top 5 all time pretty easily.
The longevity stuff isn’t too debatable. It goes like Kareem, Malone, Stockton and not much else. I’m not really counting role players so Vince carter doesn’t count when he’s been a role player basically since 2011.
The peak stuff is more debatable but I just think he has a top 5 peak. Bird was mentioned early on as having a similar resume but bron clearly has better longevity. I personally think a better peak too.
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05-29-2020, 02:05 PM
#102
Decent college freshman
Re: Criteria for Bron being top 5 GOAT
Originally Posted by Dbrog
Since this site only ever has Lebron threads, I figured I'd ask a general question. To those of you who rank Bron top 5 ever or even higher, what criteria did you use to determine this? Accomplishment-wise, he has quite a similar resume to Larry Bird (though obviously Bron got him on longevity). Lots of stats, some large awards and many peers give them praise. However, on the championship side, Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, Jordan, Magic, Kareem all got him in the modern era as top-dogs on their teams at various points. Then of course there's Bill Russell, the ultimate winner and Wilt the ultimate checkmy$tat$. Then you have people with some of the GOAT carry's in NBA history like Dirk or Hakeem. Again, what exactly sets Bron ahead of so many of these guys for you?
Most people used their eyes.
People have completely forgotten something: Ringless, 1 MVP Michael Jordan was already in the GOAT debate by 1989.
In the late 1980’s a lot of people thought Jordan was the greatest player of all time based on physical dominance and sheer ability.
We’d never seen anything like him before.
His physical advantages exceeded everyone else because he was so athletic.
By 1989 Jordan was considered not only the best athlete the game, but the best athlete in sports. That, coupled with his elite talent and elite skill, made him historically unique and people felt like they didn’t need to see him win anything before they started talking about him being the greatest.
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So when Jordan retired the first time after 3 rings he was the popular GOAT choice.
It didn’t matter that he trailed Magic by 2 rings and Kareem by 3.
The same thing that happened with Jordan is happening with LeBron.
Like with Jordan in 1989, LeBron was also considered to be the best athlete in all of sports (ever?). But his physical advantages exceeded even Michael Jordan’s. "He's like Michael Jordan, but he's bigger, stronger and faster than Michael Jordan."
We have definitely never seen LeBron's elite talent and elite skill in his body with his athleticism.
This is why, even when LeBron was ringless, we still had Oscar Robertson saying “he’s in a class by himself” and Larry Bird saying “He’s as good as anyone that’s ever played” and Scottie Pippen saying “LeBron James may be the greatest player to ever play the game.”
Right now LeBron trails Jordan by 3 rings and he trails other greats in ring count, but like with MJ, that doesn’t even matter.
LeBron is doing to Jordan what Jordan did to Magic and Kareem.
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05-29-2020, 09:11 PM
#103
ISH jizzrag slayer
Re: Criteria for Bron being top 5 GOAT
Originally Posted by aj1987
Please do us all a favor and go play on a freeway, you subhuman cretin.
Ye fat ass itching once again that you still have to respond to a week-old reply? Puh-lease...
But yea, keep barking like a useless mutt, doggie..
Bite me first if ye can if what ye say is true...
No bite = pure BS
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05-29-2020, 11:04 PM
#104
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