I'm going to try and watch every Bulls playoff game from '90 to '98

[3ba11]

Or leading both teams in every category. Or having his team win 55 games without him.

Teammates matched Lebron in every category except ball-dominance (apg), so it was a shared load and therefore inferior to Jordan carrying the star player category (scoring) and therefore facing all the defensive attention.

You guys complain about Lebron's 07' Finals because he faced all the defensive attention - well Jordan won 6 titles that way (max defensive attention)

Who cares that Lebron shared the role player categories with teammates that got nearly the same number of rpg or spg

[ShawkFactory]

Watched game 5 against the Knicks in 93 pretty recently. Really really entertaining game.

[HoopsNY]

at how MJ stans went from hailing the thread and OP to vilifying him.

The OP doesn't appear to have an agenda. Yeah he is critical of MJ at times but so what? He criticizes other Bulls too, like Pippen and Grant for example. If you are going to watch every single playoff game you are going to see duds from any player. MJ may be GOAT but he didn't walk on water. No need to crucify the guy for providing commentary based on his observations.



That is what always gets ignored. The early 80's had the Lakers, Celtics, Sixers as great teams. When the Sixers faded the Pistons emerged to take their place. When the Celtics faded the Bulls emerged. In the 90's when the Pistons faded no team emerged to replace them nor did a team emerge to replace the Lakers (who, unlike the Bulls without MJ, sucked without Magic). So the Bulls stood alone the entire run. No other all-time great team had that luxury. Even the 60's Celtics faced the 67' Sixers, who are universally considered an all-time great team.

I happened to be going through this great thread and once again found this clown misleading others. The Lakers won 58 games in 1991. Magic left the team and the team won just 43 games.

What Roundball doesn't mention is that Perkins, Worthy, and Divac were all injured in the 1991-92 season. Take a look at the spread of missed games:

Magic: 82 games
Worthy: 28 games
Perkins: 19 games
Divac: 46 games (only started 18 games for the entire season)

What kind of team chemistry could be achieved without the greatest PG of all-time and your second and third best players missing significant time? It's a miracle that the Lakers somehow still managed to make the playoffs.

[La Frescobaldi]

Yeah, I haven't had trouble finding a finals or ECF game or any of the Knicks games for the MJ years. Maybe the 1st round is tough but Carbine is finding them, presumably via YouTube (unless he got tapes sent like the Wilt fan did).

What has changed is the 94' games are gone. The whole Knicks-Bulls series was on YT years ago but the last time I checked it's only Game 7 and Game 5 via being "Hardwood Classics" and Game 1 against the Cavs.

I looked around and found this.
It’s super long though but supposedly it’s knicks whole ‘94 run
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWiKNfB0gwI

[3ba11]

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FOR THOSE WHO DON'T HAVE TIME TO WATCH ALL THE GAMES:


.........................PPG for #1 scorer.......... PPG for #2 scorer.......... Difference


1985 Round 1:...... Jordan 29.3............... Woolrige 20.5.................. 8.8

1986 Round 1:...... Jordan 43.7............... Woolrige 21.0................ 22.7

1987 Round 1:...... Jordan 35.7............... C Oakley 20.0................ 15.7

1988 Round 1:...... Jordan 45.2............... C Oakley 10.8................ 34.4
1988 Round 2:...... Jordan 27.4............... C Oakley 12.8................ 14.6

1989 Round 1:...... Jordan 39.8............... S Pippen 15.0................ 25.0
1989 Round 2:...... Jordan 35.7............... S Pippen 14.8................ 20.9
1989 Round 3:...... Jordan 29.7............... C Hodges 12.0............... 17.7

1990 Round 1:...... Jordan 36.8............... S Pippen 22.5................ 14.3
1990 Round 2:...... Jordan 43.0............... S Pippen 20.8................ 22.2
1990 Round 3:...... Jordan 32.1............... S Pippen 16.6................ 15.5

1991 Round 1:...... Jordan 29.0............... S Pippen 19.7................ 9.3
1991 Round 2:...... Jordan 33.4............... S Pippen 23.4................ 10.0
1991 Round 3:...... Jordan 29.8............... S Pippen 22.0................ 7.8
1991 Round 4:...... Jordan 31.2............... S Pippen 20.8................ 10.4

1992 Round 1:...... Jordan 45.0............... S Pippen 24.0.............. 21.0
1992 Round 2:...... Jordan 31.3............... S Pippen 16.0.............. 15.3
1992 Round 3:...... Jordan 31.7............... S Pippen 19.8.............. 11.9
1992 Round 4:...... Jordan 35.8............... S Pippen 20.8.............. 15.0

1993 Round 1:...... Jordan 34.3............... S Pippen 15.3.............. 19.0
1993 Round 2:...... Jordan 31.0............... S Pippen 18.3.............. 12.7
1993 Round 3:...... Jordan 32.2............... S Pippen 22.5.............. 9.8
1993 Round 4:...... Jordan 31.0............... S Pippen 21.2.............. 19.8

1995 Round 1:...... Jordan 32.3............... T Kukocs 17.3.............. 15.0
1995 Round 2:...... Jordan 31.0............... S Pippen 19.0.............. 12.0

1996 Round 2:...... Jordan 36.0............... S Pippen 15.6.............. 20.4
1996 Round 3:...... Jordan 29.5............... S Pippen 18.5.............. 11.0
1996 Round 4:...... Jordan 27.3............... S Pippen 15.7.............. 11.6

1997 Round 1:...... Jordan 37.3............... S Pippen 16.7.............. 20.6
1997 Round 2:...... Jordan 26.6............... S Pippen 22.2.............. 4.4
1997 Round 3:...... Jordan 30.2............... S Pippen 16.8.............. 17.4
1997 Round 4:...... Jordan 32.3............... S Pippen 20.0.............. 12.3

1998 Round 1:...... Jordan 36.3............... S Pippen 18.0.............. 18.3
1998 Round 2:...... Jordan 29.6............... S Pippen 17.8.............. 11.8
1998 Round 3:...... Jordan 31.7............... S Pippen 16.6.............. 15.1
1998 Round 3:...... Jordan 33.5............... S Pippen 15.7.............. 17.8
.................................................. ............................................______
.................................................. ........................15.4 average difference



Everyone in history needed equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention for numerous playoff runs and Finals, so they didn't always face maximum defensive attention - any period without facing maximum defensive attention is inflated stats compared to Jordan, who always faced maximum defensive attention by carrying the scoring load in every SERIES, let alone playoff run

[Hey Yo]

What was their FGA avg. difference?

[3ba11]

[3ba11]

What was their FGA avg. difference?

Pippen's true shooting was below league-average for every year of his playoff career except 89-91', so he couldn't handle more shot volume - he was already taking more shots than were optimal given his westbrook-efficiency and Larry Hughes-peak scoring capability.. See the previous post for details on Pippen's worst-ever efficiency.