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    Default Re: "The Last Dance was a lie" - Jordan Rules author Sam Smith

    So Pippen played like complete dogshit and was literally carried. Hard. VERY hard. WAY harder than Pippen "carried" him.


    This is revisionist history, as usual from MJ stans. Here is what Sports Illustrated said about the 93' ECF series at the time:

    Quote Originally Posted by Sports Illustrated
    A VERSATILE STAR LED THE BULLS TO A 4-2 ELIMINATION OF THE KNICKS, AND HE WASN'T NAMED JORDAN

    It was not surprising that Jordan was able to pick up Pippen, of course; such acts are part of Superman's daily agenda. But it was intriguing to see Pippen step into the temporary vacuums left by the sometimes physically exhausted and mentally overburdened Jordan (page 13). For the first time in Chicago's three successive marches into the NBA Finals, in fact, a Bull other than Jordan would have deserved to be named MVP in a playoff series, were such an honor awarded for a series other than the Finals.

    But if Jordan's shaky shooting continues—a career 52% shooter, he made only 40% of his shots against the Knicks—Pippen's number will be called, again and again.

    During the decisive Game 6 of the Eastern Conference finals, for example, it was not Jordan who made the big second-half shots but Pippen, he of the supposedly crumbling-cookie composure. When the Knicks, having almost eliminated a seven-point deficit, threatened to steal the game late in the fourth period, two Pippen jumpers with the shot clock almost at zero bailed out the Bulls. The first came from the deep right corner just after Pippen had flashed a smirk at Knick superfan Spike Lee, sitting at courtside. The second, a three-pointer from beyond the top of the key, was followed by Pippen's raising his index finger and glancing at Starks with another Were you there? expression on his face. Boy, the Knicks must've felt like killing Pippen.
    https://vault.si.com/vault/1993/06/1...t-named-jordan

    The three pointer was the dagger that sealed the game and series.

    What the article doesn't mention is Jordan made 0 field goals in the final 22 minutes of Game 6.
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    Default Re: "The Last Dance was a lie" - Jordan Rules author Sam Smith

    Quote Originally Posted by Roundball_Rock View Post


    This is revisionist history, as usual from MJ stans. Here is what Sports Illustrated said about the 93' ECF series at the time:



    https://vault.si.com/vault/1993/06/1...t-named-jordan

    The three pointer was the dagger that sealed the game and series.

    What the article doesn't mention is Jordan made 0 field goals in the final 22 minutes of Game 6.
    Did Pippen drop 54 points on 60%......while his teammate dropped 13 on 28% shooting......

    Oh okay then.

    GOAT gonna GOAT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigShotBob View Post
    They don't lose game 2 if Pippen scores more than 17 and Jordan didn't have to drop 36. So your point is moot. Pippen is partly why they were in a 0-2 hole in the first place.

    Game 3 was Jordan's worse game (3/18) but he went to the FT line, dropped 22 points and had 11 assists and 8 rebounds.

    Then he dropped 54 on 60% shooting and Pippen dropped.....14......on (4/14) shooting.....

    So Pippen played like complete dogshit and was literally carried. Hard. VERY hard. WAY harder than Pippen "carried" him.

    Just stop the nonsense. Jordan is the untouchable GOAT, while other players in the top 10....or outside of it (let's use Lebron as an example) score 8 points in a Finals game.

    Respect the GOAT

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    Default Re: "The Last Dance was a lie" - Jordan Rules author Sam Smith

    3/18 and they won, disgusting

    says it all

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    Default Re: "The Last Dance was a lie" - Jordan Rules author Sam Smith

    Here is another SI article on the series:

    Quote Originally Posted by Sports Illustrated
    New York showed up for Game 6 in Chicago, but two huge baskets by Pippen, a jumper from the corner and a three-pointer, were the crucial blows in a 96-88 victory that sent Chicago into its third straight NBA Finals. The New York series had been, as much as anything, Pippen's coronation as a premier player. Had an MVP for the series been selected, the suddenly consistent Pippen would've probably gotten the nod over Jordan, who alternated streaks of brilliance with long periods of woeful shooting.
    https://vault.si.com/vault/1993/07/0...met-in-1992-93

    GOAT gonna GOAT.
    He shot 40% for the series, 35% outside of Game 4.

    Jordan's Shooting in 1993 ECF

    10 for 27 (L)
    12 for 32 (L)
    3 for 18 (W)
    18 for 30 (W)
    11 for 24 (W)
    8 for 24 (W)

    This is why we only hear about that one game.

    3/18 and they won, disgusting

    says it all
    Pippen shot 83% in that game to score 29 points. The team as a whole, minus MJ, shot 60%.

    Here is what Fatal9 wrote in his "MJ anti-clutch log" post for Game 1 and Game 6:

    Quote Originally Posted by Fatal9
    Game 1 vs. Knicks 1993: Jordan goes just 2 for his last 12 shot. Knicks pull away as Jordan was a no show in the second half, and was scoreless for several key stretches in the second half.

    Mar 11, 1993 vs. Heat: Jordan misses his last 4 shots and misses a simple floater with 2 seconds left which would have tied the game. Bulls lose 97-95.

    1993 ECF vs. Knicks (game 6): Goes 0-7 in fourth quarter (Pippen bails Bulls out with clutch shots though).
    http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...nti-clutch-Log
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soundwave View Post
    So exactly what in the documentary isn't true?

    He basically says Jordan was sick but he doesn't think it was the pizza.

    OK ... and? What else?
    The pizza thing is whatever. Nobody on Jordan’s side claims to have concrete proof that he was intentionally food poisoned or not so I don’t know where the lie is. I guess Tim Grover says that 5 guys showed up and the pizza guy says that’s not true. Not sure why it matters - he was still sick.

    The bigger thing was apparently Reinsdorf talked to Jordan in the offseason after Phil said again that he was done and rode off into the sunset and told him not to retire yet, it’s going to be a long lockout and Phil could change his mind and then Jordan said something along the lines of no he’s done, Pippen's limping around and Dennis is crazy - but again this was after the fact of Phil pretty much being done, maybe Reinsdorf thought he would change his mind but that doesn’t mean Jordan did and to Jordan’s point in the documentary - Reinsdorf could’ve said a lot of that stuff in the beginning of the season which meant maybe Phil wouldn’t have felt driven out in the first place.

    I guess you could say technically Jordan was lying cause Reinsdorf ultimately did want to bring the team back and did make one last ditch effort to do it, but that was after all the damage was done and Phil was clearly not coming back which Jordan stipulated.
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    Default Re: "The Last Dance was a lie" - Jordan Rules author Sam Smith

    Probably a good idea to at least have LeBron in your top 10 if you won't people to take you seriously, BigShotBob. Just for future reference. Not that anyone takes you seriously anyways.

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    Default Re: "The Last Dance was a lie" - Jordan Rules author Sam Smith

    Quote Originally Posted by Soundwave View Post
    Yeah ok so he says basically the major parts of the doc are true, he has quibbles with minor parts of it like he thinks the flu game was just a flu and not pizza, but really who the f*ck is he to talk about someone else that is actually happened to? lol, like he an authority on Michael Jordan's medical condition above Michael Jordan?

    I'm sure he's probably not happy that one of the sources for his book (Grant) got outed.
    He's not a an authority above Michael Jordan, but he's probably more objective. Michael is not going to reveal anything in a documentary like this that might hurt his image. Everybody interviewed is naturally going to try to portray themselves in the best light possible. That's why everybody crapped on Krause. He's dead and can't defend himself. And hell, after all this time they might actually believe that the story they're telling is the truth.

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    Default Re: "The Last Dance was a lie" - Jordan Rules author Sam Smith

    Quote Originally Posted by baudkarma View Post
    He's not a an authority above Michael Jordan, but he's probably more objective. Michael is not going to reveal anything in a documentary like this that might hurt his image. Everybody interviewed is naturally going to try to portray themselves in the best light possible. That's why everybody crapped on Krause. He's dead and can't defend himself. And hell, after all this time they might actually believe that the story they're telling is the truth.
    But someone talking about your medical condition is bordering on absurd. It's like you saying "I have a headache" and me saying "no you don't", like lol, how the f*ck can I even know that.

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