If Rik Smits outplayed league MVP Shaq in the 00' Finals...

[Rico2016]

Best 3-game stretch is 48/10/6 in games 2-4 of 93' Finals for MJ

What 3 game stretch were you talking about for lebron?

That one is a close one, it's actually #2 on the list, so for once MJ is in the top 5, but still yes, #2 at best once again. Heck, it was #1 for a long time until LeBron passed him in 2016. Don't be mad, but here it is for factual proof and no biased 3ballisms:



#2 aint bad, be proud of it. It's hard to pass LeBron in these matters. He is the G.O.A.T. after all

ALSO: One of MJ's game went to 3OT, which skews things is a bit, but I'll give that one to you. Still, MJ is #2 to LBJ.

[Rico2016]

And MJ was not 48-10-6, again you are inflating numbers to your advantage. Bad boy, 3ball.

LBJ
36 - 12 - 10 - 3 - 3 on 51% FG • 8 turnovers = 3.63 ast 2 turnover ratio
(a 36-point triple double plus 3 steals and 3 blocks?!)

MJ
47 - 9 - 6 - 1.3 - 0.3 on 50% FG • 9 turnovers, 2.0 ast 2 turnover ratio
(his lack of defense killed him...only a 1 way player)

Cute. Close. But still #2. LeBron wins

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Let me know when anyone faced a 30 point 50/40/90 unanimous MVP that led a team to 73 wins

Let me know.

Thanks.

Kawhi beat those three geeks when they were still all in their primes and much more playoff experience in 2019

https://www.basketball-reference.com...s-raptors.html

[HBK_Kliq_2]

And MJ was not 48-10-6, again you are inflating numbers to your advantage. Bad boy, 3ball.

LBJ
36 - 12 - 10 - 3 - 3 on 51% FG • 8 turnovers = 3.63 ast 2 turnover ratio
(a 36-point triple double plus 3 steals and 3 blocks?!)

MJ
47 - 9 - 6 - 1.3 - 0.3 on 50% FG • 9 turnovers, 2.0 ast 2 turnover ratio
(his lack of defense killed him...only a 1 way player)

Cute. Close. But still #2. LeBron wins

Irving had a 19 GameScore and Curry\Klay were at 13 and 11. So by that statistic, Lebron had a lot more help and should of won the series anyway.

Kawhi's teammate in the 2019 finals with highest gamescore = Siakam 15.8, wins series in 6
Lebron's teammate in the 2016 finals with highest gamescore = Irving 19.1, wins series in 7

Sounds like Kawhi did easier while also having less help, which makes it more impressive.

[Uncle Drew]

And MJ was not 48-10-6, again you are inflating numbers to your advantage. Bad boy, 3ball.

LBJ
36 - 12 - 10 - 3 - 3 on 51% FG • 8 turnovers = 3.63 ast 2 turnover ratio
(a 36-point triple double plus 3 steals and 3 blocks?!)

MJ
47 - 9 - 6 - 1.3 - 0.3 on 50% FG • 9 turnovers, 2.0 ast 2 turnover ratio
(his lack of defense killed him...only a 1 way player)

Cute. Close. But still #2. LeBron wins

Another victory for LeFam. Swimming in Ws.

[AussieSteve]

Best 3-game stretch is 48/10/6 in games 2-4 of 93' Finals for MJ

What 3 game stretch were you talking about for lebron?

47/10/6... in 48mpg (1 triple OT) on 39fga.

While IMO it's between MJ 93 and LeBron 16 for GOAT finals performance, I think LeBron gets the slight edge overall and in terms of best three game stretch. Both in terms of actual level of play and moreso when you add the context of his performances.

I know you like to simplify things by stats only so

36/12/10/3.0/3.0 on 59%ts in 44 mins with 3 wins

Beats

47/10/6/1.3/0.3 on 55%ts in 48 mins with 2 wins and a loss

[Roundball_Rock]

Kawhi beat those three geeks when they were still all in their primes and much more playoff experience in 2019

https://www.basketball-reference.com...s-raptors.html

When the Warriors had 3 injured starters, including KD and Klay.

[StrongLurk]

That one is a close one, it's actually #2 on the list, so for once MJ is in the top 5, but still yes, #2 at best once again. Heck, it was #1 for a long time until LeBron passed him in 2016. Don't be mad, but here it is for factual proof and no biased 3ballisms:



#2 aint bad, be proud of it. It's hard to pass LeBron in these matters. He is the G.O.A.T. after all

ALSO: One of MJ's game went to 3OT, which skews things is a bit, but I'll give that one to you. Still, MJ is #2 to LBJ.

Lebron three finals in a row

Also, Lebron's 2017 run is NOT talked about enough. People focus on 16 cause of the comeback and 18 because he didn't have Kyrie anymore and was a straight up juggernaught, but he might have been at his best in the 17 playoff run.

MJ is number one for me all time, but I don't understand how anyone has Lebron outside of the top 3.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

When the Warriors had 3 injured starters, including KD and Klay.

Klay missed a game and a half in 2019. Draymond missed a game in 2016. Are you arguing that half a game of Klay? Or arguing that Durant's ghost was on 2016 warriors? Either way I don't see how it holds up.

[Monta Ellis MVP]

Curry choking or being hurt is even more reason it isn't a goat accomplishment, just like Dirk's wasn't in 2011 when lebron choked and got outplayed by Terry

Thanks for walking into that one






If you don't like the Miller/Smits example, you can apply this example to any year, i.e.:

- Would Malone have the goat accomplishment if Stockton outplayed Jordan in 98'?

- Would Kidd have the goat accomplishment if Kenyon outplayed Duncan in 03'?

- Etc

- Etc

You can do it every year... So only lebron gets credit for a "goat" accomplishment under this circumstance

As a LeBron fan I don’t really know how to respond to this post.

[Roundball_Rock]

Klay missed a game and a half in 2019. Draymond missed a game in 2016. Are you arguing that half a game of Klay? Or arguing that Durant's ghost was on 2016 warriors? Either way I don't see how it holds up.

Klay was carrying the Warriors in Game 6 before he went down so it was a huge deal. Durant played only 12 minutes in the finals and Cousins 0. People give Kawhi a ton of credit for a ton of luck.

To your strict point: Curry/Thompson/Green in 19' versus 16', the Warriors lost the game Klay missed completely and lost the game where he went out. In the full games he played they were 2-2.

The two teams weren't equal minus their best player. The Cavs went 1-5 without LeBron in 16' while the Raptors went 17-5 without Kawhi. The Raptors backed it up by having the third best record in the NBA this year (better than Kawhi's new team in fact) and also had 59 wins before Kawhi got there. The Cavs consistently sucked whenever LeBron was out and went down the toilet after he left (like Miami and Cleveland before).

[3ball]

As a LeBron fan I don’t really know how to respond to this post.

Classic Roundball.. makes an argument and then disappears when someone effectively counters it

[3ball]

And MJ was not 48-10-6, again you are inflating numbers to your advantage. Bad boy, 3ball.

LBJ
36 - 12 - 10 - 3 - 3 on 51% FG • 8 turnovers = 3.63 ast 2 turnover ratio
(a 36-point triple double plus 3 steals and 3 blocks?!)

MJ
47 - 9 - 6 - 1.3 - 0.3 on 50% FG • 9 turnovers, 2.0 ast 2 turnover ratio
(his lack of defense killed him...only a 1 way player)

Cute. Close. But still #2. LeBron wins

11 more points on equal efficiency is just better... Much better

47/10/6 > 36/12/10

And we shouldn't include assists - lebron doesn't let the ball move/hogs his team's assists so his TEAM has low assists - who cares about lebron's assists when it comes at expense of team assists.. lebron's team gets massively out-assisted yet you're bragging about lebron's assists.. lebron's high assists is a drawback, not a pkus

[3ball]

^^^ not an alt of 3ball

[Shooter]

That one is a close one, it's actually #2 on the list, so for once MJ is in the top 5, but still yes, #2 at best once again. Heck, it was #1 for a long time until LeBron passed him in 2016. Don't be mad, but here it is for factual proof and no biased 3ballisms:



#2 aint bad, be proud of it. It's hard to pass LeBron in these matters. He is the G.O.A.T. after all

ALSO: One of MJ's game went to 3OT, which skews things is a bit, but I'll give that one to you. Still, MJ is #2 to LBJ.

MJ can be #2 best Finals performer, still #1 overall though.