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    Default Isn't it weird how Hakeem suddenly revealed himself and rose to top when MJ retired

    No warning - before 1994, no one was saying "hakeem is #2 behind MJ".. it naturally revealed itself after the top dog was gone.

    But how did that transition/realization take place?

    It's almost like his teammates and others in the league started looking around as the season wore on, and it eventually dawned on everyone - "with no Michael around, that tall Nigerian man looks like the best player".. once this realization happened, Hakeem started to assume the role - he started playing at a level we'd never seen before - a confidence - that we'd never seen... It's almost like a lion that realizes he's now king.

    It raises an interesting question - would lebron similarly "disappear" into the background like Hakeem if MJ was still around?.. in reality, people rarely debate who is #2, so it shouldn't be a surprise that no one really saw it coming with Hakeem

    Stephen A. talks about this "king of the hill" effect:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dtsA3L3p49w

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    Default Re: Isn't it weird how Hakeem suddenly revealed himself and rose to the to when MJ re

    He actually finished #2 in the MVP voting in 1993 and won DPOY that year. Houston was also 2-0 vs Chicago that season.

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    Hakeem was literally second in MVP voting in 1993, so obviously someone considered him the second best player you goddamn idiot.

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    Default Re: Isn't it weird how Hakeem suddenly revealed himself and rose to the to when MJ re

    Quote Originally Posted by 1987_Lakers View Post
    He actually finished #2 in the MVP voting in 1993 and won DPOY that year. Houston was also 2-0 vs Chicago that season.
    He was upset in the playoffs though and didn't play anything like his 94' and 95' campaigns as "king of the hill".. people figured it was just another loss like his whole career

    Apparently it means a lot to know you're king of the hill

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    Btw, Hakeem wasn't considered the #2 player in 1993

    Barkley won MVP and MJ was the best player

    Again, no one was saying hakeem was #2 behind Mike in 93'... He only rose to that level once mike was gone and he realized that he was the new king of the hill - only then did the "dream shake" go mainstream
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    He won the title in 1994 with his 2nd best player averaging 13PPG. I figured that would blow you away considering your obsession with #2 scoring options during the finals.

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    Default Re: Isn't it weird how Hakeem suddenly revealed himself and rose to top when MJ retir

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ball View Post
    It's almost like a lion that realizes he's now king.
    pauk wheere you at bro

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    Default Re: Isn't it weird how Hakeem suddenly revealed himself and rose to the to when MJ re

    Quote Originally Posted by HBK_Kliq_2 View Post
    He won the title in 1994 with his 2nd best player averaging 13PPG. I figured that would blow you away considering your obsession with #2 scoring options during the finals.

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    Default Re: Isn't it weird how Hakeem suddenly revealed himself and rose to the to when MJ re

    Quote Originally Posted by HBK_Kliq_2 View Post
    He won the title in 1994 with his 2nd best player averaging 13PPG. I figured that would blow you away considering your obsession with #2 scoring options during the finals.
    I've always given Hakeem credit for a goat carry-job in 1994 because those are tough - MJ had 6 of them

    And this thread is NOT a knock on Hakeem

    But again, he wasn't comfortable taking the "dream shake" mainstream until he was the new king of the hill.. the "king of the hill" effect is real and it would've pushed lebron into the shadows with MJ around just like Hakeem was..

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    Default Re: Isn't it weird how Hakeem suddenly revealed himself and rose to the to when MJ re

    Hakeem's career is a little weird in that it seemed like he didn't peak until age 32/33.

    He had by his standards somewhat down years at age 28/29 which is also kinda weird but probably related to injury.

    The Rockets were weird all around, they beat the Lakers in the 80s to make the Finals so you would think they would've been in the mix continually after that as Hakeem got better, but that wasn't the case.

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    Default Re: Isn't it weird how Hakeem suddenly revealed himself and rose to the to when MJ re

    Quote Originally Posted by Soundwave View Post
    Hakeem's career is a little weird in that it seemed like he didn't peak until age 32/33.

    He had by his standards somewhat down years at age 28/29 which is also kinda weird but probably related to injury.

    The Rockets were weird all around, they beat the Lakers in the 80s to make the Finals so you would think they would've been in the mix continually after that as Hakeem got better, but that wasn't the case.
    He was a different Hakeem in 1994 that we hadn't seen before

    So apparently, he wasn't comfortable taking the "dream shake" mainstream until he was the new king of the hill.. the "king of the hill" effect is real and it would've pushed lebron into the shadows with MJ around just like Hakeem was

    So I find it fascinating that Hakeem naturally rose to the top when MJ retired, and looked like a totally different player as king of the hill compared to previously

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    Default Re: Isn't it weird how Hakeem suddenly revealed himself and rose to the to when MJ re

    On that note, Jordan actually started winning when Bird retired.. there ya go..

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    Default Re: Isn't it weird how Hakeem suddenly revealed himself and rose to the to when MJ re

    Spot on. Turns out Hakeem was ducking MJ

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    Default Re: Isn't it weird how Hakeem suddenly revealed himself and rose to the to when MJ re

    Isn't it weird that MJ retired and quit basketball right before Hakeem's peak?

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    Default Re: Isn't it weird how Hakeem suddenly revealed himself and rose to the to when MJ re

    Quote Originally Posted by Soundwave View Post
    Hakeem's career is a little weird in that it seemed like he didn't peak until age 32/33.

    He had by his standards somewhat down years at age 28/29 which is also kinda weird but probably related to injury.

    The Rockets were weird all around, they beat the Lakers in the 80s to make the Finals so you would think they would've been in the mix continually after that as Hakeem got better, but that wasn't the case.
    Ralph Samson getting injured and being traded to another team was the reason rockets not being a serious contender for a couple of years. By the way houston was 11-5 against the bulls in their head to head matchup from 1987 to 1995.

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