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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephonit View Post
    Did you see the Lakers path to the finals those years? Seldom met an MVP candidate and when they did it was Alex English, 2nd year Karl Malone, or Clyde Drexler. I guess winning over Olajuwon even with Olajuwon's famously weak teams is notable but then they did lose as the favorites to the Olajuwon Rockets as well.


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    Magic's teams generally had no opposition in getting to the Finals... it was a free path.

    Curry's teams didn't have that. Thunder Spurs Rockets etc. were all far more resistance than Lakers had.

    Sure LA had to face great teams in the Finals. So did Golden State seeing Lebron a supposed top 3 GOAT and yet another "big 3" every single year.

    So overall Curry had it harder competition wise.

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    Defensive value is notoriously difficult to measure especially with box score stats. But DWS is derived from DRtg which is derived from box score as is DBPM. You are just being redundant when you list each of them and the box score components.

    The Showtime Lakers were never a top defensive team in the league peaking at 5th but usually hovering around 7th. The Warriors were 1st and 2nd on a couple of runs and top 5 in others.




    Magic may be a better passer but he isn't a better facilitator. Curry is woefully underrated as a playmaker because none of the standard metrics measure Curry's gravity which can crack defenses open more efficiently than even Magic's passes. As stated before the stats you are using count passing assists but not the kinds of assists Curry imparts with his gravity, ORTG especially since it relies on possessions. Even then a comparison of PER, OBPM, and OWS shows that while Magic may look more consistent with a higher average he never reaches the heights Curry does in those metrics. Magic was never first in the league for PER or OBPM. Curry has been first in the league in all three and in those times was also first in BPM and WS and WS/48. Curry showed a higher ceiling.
    So if we cant use box scores, stats, or advanced metrics to compare the two, and we canít use Magicís accolades and championships as any sort of barrometer, how are we supposed to compare the two? Subjectively? Ok fine. Magic was better and nothing you say counts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tpols View Post
    Magic's teams generally had no opposition in getting to the Finals... it was a free path.

    Curry's teams didn't have that. Thunder Spurs Rockets etc. were all far more resistance than Lakers had.

    Sure LA had to face great teams in the Finals. So did Golden State seeing Lebron a supposed top 3 GOAT and yet another "big 3" every single year.

    So overall Curry had it harder competition wise.
    ****ing idiotic. In 2015, most of the teams GSW was facing had a injured PG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbo Slayer View Post
    ****ing idiotic. In 2015, most of the teams GSW was facing had a injured PG.
    All of them had a First Team All-NBAer 3 of whom were top 5 MVP vote getters. GSW were also down their highest paid player for some of those series. It's really eye-rolling how Curry's critics create their narratives. They call strong weak and weak strong.
    Last edited by Stephonit; 05-26-2020 at 01:09 PM.

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    Absolutley none of what you said makes Curry better than Magic.
    You are correct. My post was directed at the idea that Magic was somehow untouchable and Curry was not in the conversation. There were weaknesses in Magic's game and for him to be ranked as a #3 goat or #5 goat for me is just wrong. Curry is a better ball handler and much better shooter. Magic never had a 50-40-90 season. Magic for his first 6 years shot 17% from the 3 point line. His outside shot from distance was a liability. It will depend on how Curry finishes his career. If he wins a couple of championships and FMVP's, I think he will surpass Magic. Curry is young enough to pull it off IMO.

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    ****ing idiotic. In 2015, most of the teams GSW was facing had a injured PG.
    Yup.

    Even if i consider 2015 as their most legit ring in the last five years, i do agree that their run during that year was a lucky one for them.

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    Steph all he was on Magic is shooting and ballhandling. Magic was the better total player: Coast to Coast Scorer, Slasher, Finisher, Creator of Offense, Passer, Rebounder, Post Player (baby hook) etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Round Mound View Post
    Steph all he was on Magic is shooting and ballhandling. Magic was the better total player: Coast to Coast Scorer, Slasher, Finisher, Creator of Offense, Passer, Rebounder, Post Player (baby hook) etc

    When did Magic lead the league in scoring? When did Magic lead the league in % makes from within 3 feet of the basket? When did Magic have a 50-point game? Magic Johnson isn't in the same conversation with Curry as a scorer whether it be shooting, slashing or finishing.

    http://bkref.com/tiny/s2OQf

    http://bkref.com/tiny/ar1MW
    Last edited by Stephonit; 05-26-2020 at 08:56 PM.

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    OP is jealous of Ayesha.

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    Can you at least give these kind of threads some context instead of just expecting people to argue about 2 players who played completely differently in completely different eras? What are we supposed to be comparing? Put Magic on the dynasty Warriors team in place of Steph and they are getting chips. Put Steph on the old Lakers team and...well it's hard to even imagine, in all honesty. One player can guard every position but what is the ****ing context here? Steph, despite his dribbling and shooting skills, would likely get his ass kicked if it were one on one but might work better in certain systems in real meaningful games.

    I'd take Magic by a long shot but the context is important.

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    Context is however you wish to define it. But if you insist on one: you can trade for one of them on your team who would you rather have if you want to win championships?

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    It really depends what other players I already have and what systems I'm running already. The thread is silly.

    If I were getting one for the current Lakers team, it would be Steph. For the current Spurs, likely Magic.

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    Using that neat PIPM tool LostCause provided:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephonit View Post
    When did Magic lead the league in scoring? When did Magic lead the league in % makes from within 3 feet of the basket? When did Magic have a 50-point game? Magic Johnson isn't in the same conversation with Curry as a scorer whether it be shooting, slashing or finishing.

    http://bkref.com/tiny/s2OQf

    http://bkref.com/tiny/ar1MW
    Magic pretty much never looked t score but when he did he was great. As a rookie in the finals he had a 42-15-7 when Kareem was out and in 86-87 when Kareem was declining he averaged 23.9. Magic could score when he wanted to.

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