MJ is #1 in all rate of production stats (PPG, PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP seasons), so...

[3ball]

so lebron's goat argument is playing at a lower level for longer (longevity), and having his sidekick outplay the league MVP in 16'??

Got it..

[light]

MJ is #1 in all rate of production stats (PPG, PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP seasons), so... so lebron's goat argument is playing at a lower level for longer (longevity), and having his sidekick outplay the league MVP in 16'??

Got it..

There’s a very good reason for that.

John Hollinger touches on this a bit in his explanation of PER, but basically it boils down to this:

If your new fancy statistic does not have the GOAT Michael Jordan at the top of it, people will not accept it.

Hollinger explains how in the late stages before release he adjusted his formula to make sure that whatever list it spit out, it had the “right” guys at the top - Jordan, Wilt, etc.

Every inventor of a statistic has to worry about this and they do the same kinds of things.

[2ball]

LeBron only has counting stats. Meanwhile MJ has volume stats (load carrying) which is a true measurement of greatness

[Roundball_Rock]

John Hollinger touches on this a bit in his explanation of PER, but basically it boils down to this:

If your new fancy statistic does not have the GOAT Michael Jordan at the top of it, people will not accept it.

Hollinger explains how in the late stages before release he adjusted his formula to make sure that whatever list it spit out, it had the “right” guys at the top - Jordan, Wilt, etc.

Every inventor of a statistic has to worry about this and they do the same kinds of things.

Do you have a link to this? This is very damning.

[3ball]

Do you have a link to this? This is very damning.

I hope you're not joking

[Rico2016]

Playoff records

Runs over 30 PER
-LeBron (1st) 6

Points scored
-LeBron (1st) 6911

Steals
-LeBron (1st) 419

Game winners
-LeBron (1st) 9

Finals Triple Doubles
-LeBron (1st) 12

Winshares
LeBron (1st) 52

VORP
-LeBron (1st) 128

30 point playoff games
-LeBron (1st) 121

Just getting warmed up

[Turbo Slayer]

2009 Playoff LeBron is arguably the greatest playoff run ever besting MJ best playoff run in every advanced stat. (1990-91). LeBron had the higher peak.

3ball is desperately trying to tell everyone that LeBron isn't on Mj's level when in fact LeBron IS on MJ's level.

If LeBron was drafted to a better team and office and if unfortunate circumstances didn't happen (like Durant joining Warriors), he would have likely have more championships and 3ball would be sobbing in tears by now.

[Turbo Slayer]

But hey MJ needs to be #1 in everything.

[3ball]

2009 Playoff LeBron is arguably the greatest playoff run ever besting MJ best playoff run in every advanced stat. (1990-91). LeBron had the higher peak.

3ball is desperately trying to tell everyone that LeBron isn't on Mj's level when in fact LeBron IS on MJ's level.

Yes no one would've ever thought it was possible to lose with a 37 PER and 0.400 ws/48.. yet lebron found a way.. the goat LOSER.. he's literally GOOD at it

he found a way to not get doubled and therefore let the opponent's defense play an adjustment-less, stay-at-home brand that shut dpwn teammates..

Ultimately, Lebron's ball-dominance doesn't shift defenses/wear down teams like the ball movement he faces at the championship level, so opponents are always fresher with more capacity to go off offensively - the best defense is a good offense, and lebron failed in the 14' Finals, 09' ECF, 15' Finals, 08' ECSF, 07' Finals, 10' ECSF, 17' Finals, 18' Finals.. and more

the goat empty-stat-pad brand... aka perennial underdog and loser with super-teams, regardless of opponent

[Turbo Slayer]

Yes no one would've ever thought it was possible to lose with a 37 PER and 0.400 ws/48.. yet lebron found a way.. the goat LOSER.. he's literally GOOD at it

he found a way to not get doubled and therefore let the opponent's defense play an adjustment-less, stay-at-home brand that shut dpwn teammates..

Ultimately, Lebron's ball-dominance doesn't shift defenses/wear down teams like the ball movement he faces at the championship level, so opponents are always fresher with more capacity to go off offensively - the best defense is a good offense, and lebron failed in the 14' Finals, 09' ECF, 15' Finals, 08' ECSF, 07' Finals, 10' ECSF, 17' Finals, 18' Finals.. and more

the goat empty-stat-pad brand... aka perennial underdog and loser with super-teams, regardless of opponent

Baketball is a team game man. A ****ing idiot like you wouldnt get it but well. All of your reasoning are flawed. The only time LeBron has NOT performed up to all time great standard is in 2010 or 2011 (Playoffs). That's it. Every year except those well, greatness.

LeBron had Mo Williams in his 1st stint while MJ had Pippen, a top 10 player in his era

[tpols]

He doesn't lead efficiency.

[Turbo Slayer]

He doesn't lead efficiency.

True.

[3ball]

Baketball is a team game man. A ****ing idiot like you wouldnt get it but well. All of your reasoning are flawed. The only time LeBron has NOT performed up to all time great standard is in 2010 or 2011 (Playoffs). That's it. Every year except those well, greatness.

LeBron had Mo Williams in his 1st stint while MJ had Pippen, a top 10 player in his era

1) Dwight's team was equally weak by every measure and was infact one of the 5 biggest underdog winners in playoff history:

Of the 459 playoff series since 1988 where odds were available, 100 (22%) of underdogs went on to win the series. Here's the seven underdog winners that were +500 or higher before the start of series:

Odds: Magic +550 / Cavaliers -700

Result: Magic 4-2

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.act...etball-history

2) Lebron lost to the #4 SRS Magic with 18 on 38% from Mo and the #3 team defense - MJ always won with that help - he won many series with worse than the #3 defense and 18 on 38% from sidekick

[Rico2016]

Playoff records

Runs over 30 PER
-LeBron (1st) 6

Points scored
-LeBron (1st) 6911

Steals
-LeBron (1st) 419

Game winners
-LeBron (1st) 9

Finals Triple Doubles
-LeBron (1st) 12

Winshares
-LeBron (1st) 52

VORP
-LeBron (1st) 128

30 point playoff games
-LeBron (1st) 121

Just getting warmed up

2ball don't run now. Please let me know when you're ready to accept LeBar has been set.

[Duncan21formvp]

Jordan never lost with HCA, while Lebron lost 3 years in a row with it including to a career loser in Dwight Howard. Lebron also got swept when many considered him the best in the league. Jordan never got swept when he was considered the best in the league. Lebron was also down 3-2 every year of his career including 5 years in a row with HCA.