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    Default Re: Clyde Drexler claps back at Michael Jordan over "Last Dance"

    Quote Originally Posted by insidious301 View Post
    Drexler is correct. Jordan also didnt do himself favors LYING about Isiah Thomas. Jordan had no problem calling Thomas an asshole, but couldn't admit he had something to do with IT not playing on Dream Team 1992. Shameful.
    **** Isiah, his bum ass didnt deserve to be on the team.

    Drexler too, what a sore loser.

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    Default Re: Clyde Drexler claps back at Michael Jordan over "Last Dance"

    MJ getting clap backs left and right these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roundball_Rock View Post
    There has to be some MJ fatigue. These guys turn on the television and ESPN and the other sports channels are talking MJ. Go to sports podcasts. More MJ. Go to a sports website. If he retired recently it would be one thing but we are now 22 years removed from his last notable season.
    Its because of Coronavirus. No sport at all. Now the playoffs would have been in full swing for a month, approaching the finals. They bought the documentary forward to fill the void left by coronavirus.

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    Wow, the amount of cry babies (who are supposed to be grown men) actually surprises me. How about get over it, he won, you lost. Jordan is a jackass, douchebag etc. who cares, he won, you did not. End of that story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roundball_Rock View Post
    Thanks--didn't know Baylor was ahead of MJ and Wilt.



    Not necessarily. In a team sport players aren't going to play well if they are turned into spectators. Here is how the Bulls' did in the 10 games MJ took the most shots in his prime:

    1996: 9-1 (63-9 in other games)
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    How about the 10 games MJ took the least shots?

    1996: 10-0 (Bulls 17-0 when MJ took 18 or less shots)
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    Flawed logic as usual from you. The game isn’t played on a spreadsheet. For most of his career, especially in the winning years, Jordan approached the game based on what the defense was giving and how his teammates were playing. If his teammates had it going, he didn’t shoot as much. If they didn’t, he did shoot more. Sure, there were games where he had the hot hand or he forced the issue so his teammates didn’t shoot as much, but that wasn’t the usual approach he had.

    And there were PLENTY of games where his teammates were anemic offensively and he had to shoot a lot. In those games if he didn’t change how he was playing and took 20 or less shots, that doesn’t mean the record would be similar to the numbers you posted where he shot less – which by the way don’t make clear all the games that ended up being blowouts largely due to Jordan’s aggressive shooting which put the game out early so he didn’t need to play or shoot as much later in the game or the games where he was fouled a bunch on shots and took a ton of free throws (shots that you’re fouled on and don’t make the shot do not count towards FGA).

    And for the games where he shot a lot, you took the absolute extreme. He’s averaging well over 30 FGA per game in that sample size. No one has said that’s ideal. That’s way more then his career average, which is already high. And with that said, he’s still 44-36 in those games. In all the regular season games he shot 30 shots or more, he’s 75-57. In the playoffs, he’s 25-14. That’s actually pretty great because its not ideal for anyone to shoot over 30 times per game. Kobe for example is well below .500 in those type of games, while Lebron has a similar win % as Jordan but not nearly the same number of games where he did that.

    And Jordan averaged 25 FGA per game for his career in the playoffs. He’s done that or more for 4 championship runs as well. The only other player since the merger (so trying to remove the earlier high pace eras) was Hakeem who did it once in 95. Clearly it worked for him and his team - it wouldn't work for the vast majority of great players.

    He was clearly justified to take a lot of shots, especially more then someone like Drexler. He was a more efficient player on significantly more volume (~+7 more FGA/g in the regular season and ~+8.5 more FGA/g in the playoffs for their careers.) and didn’t play in uptempo offenses that are supposed to make it easier to score like Drexler did. He is just making excuses. Only a fool would think the difference between the 2 is that Jordan took more shots. After the actual ability to score, shot creation is probably the most important skill to have and Jordan was clearly above most great players in that regard, especially Drexler.

    At least he didn’t bring up the bullsh*t excuse that he was injured in the 92 Finals that people like you thought was a legitimate gripe about the documentary for not mentioning.

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    Default Re: Clyde Drexler claps back at Michael Jordan over "Last Dance"

    MJ still that dumb kid that hasnt grown up, never understand the power of team.

    So full of himself, the idiot.

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    Default Re: Clyde Drexler claps back at Michael Jordan over "Last Dance"

    Quote Originally Posted by Horatio33 View Post
    Its because of Coronavirus. No sport at all. Now the playoffs would have been in full swing for a month, approaching the finals. They bought the documentary forward to fill the void left by coronavirus.
    They were talking about him non-stop before the Coronavirus. The media is addicted to and worships MJ. It went to saturation coverage because of the "documentary" but he is a regular topic on sports media. The only guys who get more coverage are LeBron and Brady--who actually still play.

    Drexler has always said it is a team sport. Here is what he said to MJ:
    "Let me have Scottie. See how I do then."--Clyde Drexler to Michael Jordan

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    Default Re: Clyde Drexler claps back at Michael Jordan over "Last Dance"

    Quote Originally Posted by bullettooth View Post
    LeBron jock riders talking about it being a team game but are the first ones to bitch about LeBron's teams being trash when..... they lose. Or is it when he loses?

    LOL, retards.
    Exactly. These same losers gloss over the point Clyde was making about stats and the game being about team effort. Lebron stans only care about his individual numbers but not how many times his teams have come up short due to his ball dominant style of play. Jordan won a lot and put up great numbers, but he was also a great team player, in a sense that he actually played off ball and didn't need to have the ball in his hands on every single possession to have all-time great numbers and win at the same time. Clyde simply wasn't as talented as MJ, he can say shit about Jordan taking more shots, but he never was able to produce as much as he did, despite coming up in a similar situation himself in Portland.

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    I can understand where Clyde is coming from. He's been hearing this same story for almost 30 years. He didn't just lose during the Olympics and in the 92 Finals. He's the loser every time he has to hear this story. Any true competitor would be frustrated that this is part of his legacy. The Blazers had a more devastating loss to Magic's Lakers in 91 with homecourt advantage and the best record in the league but he probably never hears about that.

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    Default Re: Clyde Drexler claps back at Michael Jordan over "Last Dance"

    Quote Originally Posted by LoneyROY7 View Post
    MJ getting clap backs left and right these days.
    he shouldn't have released his documentary, now he's getting a taste of what real criticism is. back in the 90's that didn't exist because he was the face of every name brand. you can tell this is frustrating a lot of michael fans who looked up to him as a god during their prepubescent childhood

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    Default Re: Clyde Drexler claps back at Michael Jordan over "Last Dance"

    Quote Originally Posted by Stanley Kobrick View Post
    he shouldn't have released his documentary, now he's getting a taste of what real criticism is. back in the 90's that didn't exist because he was the face of every name brand. you can tell this is frustrating a lot of michael fans who looked up to him as a god during their prepubescent childhood
    Good points. Would guys like Drexler, Grant, Isiah and all the others who are coming out criticizing this have had the same platform to speak out as they do today? They speak to one media outlet and it spreads quickly on the internet and social media.

    Back then ESPN was the king but if you didn't watch ESPN you weren't going to hear about it. Newspapers were out there too but this likely would be not be covered at all or be a minor story. NBC's NBA telecasts was another one but Jordan was a sponsor of NBC's telecasts (imagine if LeBron sponsored ABC ) and their reporter Ahmed Rashad his buddy so you weren't going to get much negativity there. In today's media environment small outlets can break stories that go viral.

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    Damn, this has been terrible PR for DK. Every player of little relevance in the 90's is denouncing him, all the way to his own teammates. Well, it had been coming. Good to see that bubble burst, except for some obnoxious fools who act like teenage schoolgirls. I won't state any names but it's 3ball.

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