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    Default Underrated part of John Stockton's game...

    Is his off ball movement. Always at the right place and at the right time whether cutting in for a layup or freeing himself up using screens for the jumper. Willing to sacrifice his body by providing hard physical screens against anyone just to give his teammates an advantage. He might be labeled as dirty because of all the grabbing, holding, cheapshots etc. on both ends but that is him trying to gain an edge at any cost just to help his team win.



    All off one Finals game past his prime. Regardless of how you view/rank Stockton this has to be impressive to most of you.

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    Default Re: Underrated part of Stockton's game...

    What about his top 10 worst #2 Finals ppg

    He did it twice

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCorporation View Post
    What about his top 10 worst #2 Finals ppg

    He did it twice
    Yeah, great player but 12 PPG in the finals (across 12 games) won't cut it. He was in single digits in the 96' WCF too the year before.

    It is funny to see all these people harp on scoring and then praise perhaps the worst top 50 AT HOF scorer.

    If he wanted to help his team win he needed to take some shots that weren't wide open J's or layups. Being a legitimate scoring threat matters. If teams know you won't shoot unless it is a cake shot, they will defend you differently.

    He might be labeled as dirty
    Wasn't he voted the dirtiest player at one point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Airupthere View Post
    Doesn’t matter. He’s getting crossed bad in today’s game. Won’t even make the nba.
    He was a better defender than 80% of guards in today's league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marchesk View Post
    He was a better defender than 80% of guards in today's league.
    Scoring 9 a game. The White Tony Allen

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCorporation View Post
    Scoring 9 a game. The White Tony Allen
    Who did he guard? I'm watching Game 6 of the 97' finals and it's the 4th quarter and Stockton is on Kerr, the Bulls' 7th best player.

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    You can watch the game at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWltKUDALMY&t=6353s. At 1:46:25 Stockton decides he doesn't feel like guarding anyone--he is in the paint while Kerr is in the corner 3 area--Jordan takes a fadeway and Stockton continues to spectate.

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    An Ironman. Impressive stamina and longevity. Some people thought he drove a minivan for his kids but he would use it because it fit more women for him to bone.

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    Default Re: Underrated part of Stockton's game...

    Man apart from OP it's possible none of you should even have access to NBA TV.

    ESPN we'll let go.

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    Default Re: Underrated part of Stockton's game...

    I was expecting some of the replies but Ish is really something else.

    Saw a fairly recent video that was nice enough to share and here suddenly comes a ton of overreactions by the mere mention of Stockton.

    Nothing in my original post said that he was a great finals performer or that he was head and shoulders above his peers etc. Im not even sure if they bothered to read what I said or even watch the video.

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    the malone post up with that offball movement you see from the flex was definitely utah's go to play not the pnr. The offball stuff is underrated but we overrate how much of malone's buckets were spoonfed by stockton when some assists came off simple post feeds.

    you saw this with deron williams too though he was more ball dominant screen and roll heavy because boozer wasnt malone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRoDi2ECVtw 1:00, 2:45, 3:07, 3:45

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    Default Re: Underrated part of Stockton's game...

    Quote Originally Posted by NBAGOAT View Post
    the malone post up with that offball movement you see from the flex was definitely utah's go to play not the pnr. The offball stuff is underrated but we overrate how much of malone's buckets were spoonfed by stockton when some assists came off simple post feeds.

    you saw this with deron williams too though he was more ball dominant screen and roll heavy because boozer wasnt malone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRoDi2ECVtw 1:00, 2:45, 3:07, 3:45
    Did a little research and that was the last year of Jerry Sloan coaching the Jazz in that video(2011) I also forgot that Kirilenko and Hayward played for the Jazz at the same time, last year on the Jazz for the former and the latter's rookie year.

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    Default Re: Underrated part of Stockton's game...

    Quote Originally Posted by NBAGOAT View Post
    the malone post up with that offball movement you see from the flex was definitely utah's go to play not the pnr. The offball stuff is underrated but we overrate how much of malone's buckets were spoonfed by stockton when some assists came off simple post feeds.

    you saw this with deron williams too though he was more ball dominant screen and roll heavy because boozer wasnt malone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRoDi2ECVtw 1:00, 2:45, 3:07, 3:45
    That was especially true when they were going to the Finals. Credit to Malone he became a better player at 33 (no exaggeration), as Stockton dropped just slightly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roundball_Rock View Post
    Yeah, great player but 12 PPG in the finals (across 12 games) won't cut it. He was in single digits in the 96' WCF too the year before.

    It is funny to see all these people harp on scoring and then praise perhaps the worst top 50 AT HOF scorer.

    If he wanted to help his team win he needed to take some shots that weren't wide open J's or layups. Being a legitimate scoring threat matters. If teams know you won't shoot unless it is a cake shot, they will defend you differently.



    Wasn't he voted the dirtiest player at one point?
    Maybe because no one ever argued Stockton to be a great scorer? Yet, he was a very good scorer in his role and averaged 15/4/9/2 on 62%TS in the Finals at age 34 and is one of the 5 greatest passers in league history. 9 straight seasons of leading the league in assists & 15 seasons of leading the league in AST%.

    Stockton was twice the playmaker compared to Pippin and had 16 straight seasons of 21+ PER & +.174 WS/48. Shame Sloan's system didn't encourage him to shoot more 3s because he legitimately could have been a 20 ppg 60%TS scorer in his best years, he led the league in TS% 3 times as a point guard. From age 25-40 (didn't start in his first 2 seasons), he averaged 22.5 PER 61.3%TS .217 WS/48 & 7.3 BPM. Insanely consistent and efficient.

    You give him shit for his '98 Finals, but he was playing on limited minutes that season (first time he missed significant amount of games) & all Playofs, he only averaged 32 mpg in the Finals.

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    Default Re: Underrated part of John Stockton's game...

    Don't think Sloan's offense had much to do with Stockton not shooting more. He could take over games at will it seemed but he was unselfish to a fault. His biggest weakness. Doubt it would have changed much in any system. Don't think his game really dropped off either. They played him less minutes after his incredible recover from knee surgery.

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