Are American pickups getting too big? The left thinks so

[Long Duck Dong]

Protestors in particular are concerned about their size both because they are afraid of the damage they can inflict and the fact the driver may not see them in the street over the massive grills that manufacturers keep making bigger and bigger. What's your take?


...I think they are partially right. To tell you the truth I wish they just made a bare bones diesel 4x4, roll up windows, no fancy gadgetry, or tons of sensors that can send the truck straight to the mechanic's laptop if they think there's even a minor problem. I'd even be cool with older designed truck and cheap but tough olive grab paint on it. A workhorse if you will.

For hilarity though here's a thread(and an article) about libs complaining about the size of American trucks. Some jokingly, others not so jokingly, saying American trucks are designed to kill people

https://mobile.twitter.com/ryanlcoop...rucks-n2573730

https://www.wsj.com/articles/pickup-...at-11596254412


Of course the trolling was swift and brutal

[bladefd]

The only issue I have is the very low mileage they tend to have.. It's atrocious. I would be supportive if they were electric or at least had 30mpg mileage like the typical Honda/Toyota, but you will never see anywhere close to 30mpg. You typically see mileage at high-10s and low-20s. It's very inefficient.

This is why I was hoping Tesla would make a fully electric pickup truck that looked like Dodge Ram/Ford F-150 to quickly enter that market. Instead, they decided to go for a box with the Cybertruck. People who are used to these types of classic pickup trucks probably won't buy the cybertruck since it doesn't look like what they are used to.

[rawimpact]

Blade,

You realize the new chevy silverado gets 33 highway and 23 city right?

The whole american trucks vs japanese truck comparison is garbage. One manufacturer makes full size heavy duty trucks, the other makes entry level full size trucks.

Also, the F150 set to release is going to be a hybrid (not necessarily for better mpgs but hauling and power for plug in tools).

My only gripe with the truck scene is I just want a small pickup truck for seldom use and mild/moderate towing since these crossovers pretty much max out at 1500-2500lbs.

[LAmbruh]

Fortunately the redneck right in rural trailer parks could never afford a newer 2020 models, the 1995 Ford Ranger with 200k miles on it's 3rd engine is max budget.


Give these hillbillies 50k and they choose to drown in meth, bud light and lottery tickets within a few months. Like every other hick Powerball winner

[Long Duck Dong]

the 1995 Ford Ranger with 200k miles on it's 3rd engine is max budget.

Hmmm a Ranger or a Kia...

[bladefd]

Blade,

You realize the new chevy silverado gets 33 highway and 23 city right?

The whole american trucks vs japanese truck comparison is garbage. One manufacturer makes full size heavy duty trucks, the other makes entry level full size trucks.

Also, the F150 set to release is going to be a hybrid (not necessarily for better mpgs but hauling and power for plug in tools).

My only gripe with the truck scene is I just want a small pickup truck for seldom use and mild/moderate towing since these crossovers pretty much max out at 1500-2500lbs.

How much does it cost? 40k? 50k? Sorry, most people can't afford latest new truck model.

Regardless, Hondas give you 30mpg in city/40mpg on highway. It's a whole factor up. Meanwhile those same Hondas cost almost half the cost (25k vs 40k) and be cheaper for repairs + easily last until 200k miles + cheaper tires/oil/whatever other costs you want to consider.

And if you go electric argument, it's over. Teslas are electric but if you work out the numbers, Teslas would work out to about 100mpg or more depending on where you live and how you are charging it (if you have private solar panels charging it then the numbers would be outrageously efficient beyond measure). Electric trucks will be killers, but unfortunately it may be years away (Nikola is building something but they have been saying that for years so I don't trust them). Wish Tesla would make something electric that looks like traditional truck

[warriorfan]

How much does it cost? 40k? 50k? Sorry, most people can't afford latest new truck model.

Regardless, Hondas give you 30mpg in city/40mpg on highway. It's a whole factor up. Meanwhile those same Hondas cost almost half the cost (25k vs 40k) and be cheaper for repairs + easily last until 200k miles + cheaper tires/oil/whatever other costs you want to consider.

And if you go electric argument, it's over. Teslas are electric but if you work out the numbers, Teslas would work out to about 100mpg or more depending on where you live and how you are charging it (if you have private solar panels charging it then the numbers would be outrageously efficient beyond measure). Electric trucks will be killers, but unfortunately it may be years away (Nikola is building something but they have been saying that for years so I don't trust them). Wish Tesla would make something electric that looks like traditional truck

So new ones are meeting the criteria you gave so now you switched to old trucks? Lol. What is your solution then, confiscate all old vehicles and destroy them if they don’t get 30 mph?

[DoctorP]

this thread is certified country-boy fresh

[rawimpact]

How much does it cost? 40k? 50k? Sorry, most people can't afford latest new truck model.

Regardless, Hondas give you 30mpg in city/40mpg on highway. It's a whole factor up. Meanwhile those same Hondas cost almost half the cost (25k vs 40k) and be cheaper for repairs + easily last until 200k miles + cheaper tires/oil/whatever other costs you want to consider.

And if you go electric argument, it's over. Teslas are electric but if you work out the numbers, Teslas would work out to about 100mpg or more depending on where you live and how you are charging it (if you have private solar panels charging it then the numbers would be outrageously efficient beyond measure). Electric trucks will be killers, but unfortunately it may be years away (Nikola is building something but they have been saying that for years so I don't trust them). Wish Tesla would make something electric that looks like traditional truck

This is exactly why I hate conversing with you... you're completely illogical. The question of cost was never brought up, but of course you start talking about how people cannot afford trucks anymore somehow as if that has anything to do with OP or your earlier post in regards to fuel efficiency.

Lets sum up this conversation

You: American Trucks dont get anywhere near 30mpg, low 20s at best, buy japanese truck
Me: New american FULL SIZE truck gets 33mpg
You: But they cost so much now and no one can afford them so buy a japanese car

????

Secondly, what Honda truck gives you 30 in the city and 40 on the highway? Or are you seriously comparing trucks to cars all of a sudden?

[bladefd]

This is exactly why I hate conversing with you... you're completely illogical. The question of cost was never brought up, but of course you start talking about how people cannot afford trucks anymore somehow as if that has anything to do with OP or your earlier post in regards to fuel efficiency.

Lets sum up this conversation

You: American Trucks dont get anywhere near 30mpg, low 20s at best, buy japanese truck
Me: New american FULL SIZE truck gets 33mpg
You: But they cost so much now and no one can afford them so buy a japanese car

????

Secondly, what Honda truck gives you 30 in the city and 40 on the highway? Or are you seriously comparing trucks to cars all of a sudden?

Nah, I was referring to sedans. I gave you Honda Civic numbers. I gave you cost of 25k, which should be obvious instantly that I was referring to sedans. Trucks out there don't cost 25k brand new and definitely don't have high mileage/lower operating cost across lifetime like that. Trucks ain't worth the low mileage/high costs for parts/low overall lifetime engine range.

Certainly cost matters. 50k for a top of the line truck is not worth it to get 23mpg in city/33mpg on highway.

But you are also right that it's comparing apples to oranges. I ask you this: what business does the average American have riding in a bigass truck? Most people with these big ass trucks don't even use their storage spaces or go off-roading or pulling a RV or have any need for 4x4 AWD for extra power. It's not worth throwing away 35k if you want a shitty low mileage truck or 50k for slightly better mileage or if you buy a shitty old truck with even worse mileage. It's not a high intelligence choice, but I shouldn't expect high intelligence decision from the very country where more than half the people are obese and have this feeling of "American exceptionalism"

[Axe]

If you want a big pickup truck, then get the 6x6 g class or an hd version of the usual 1500 trucks.

[warriorfan]

I saw a sticker on a dodge ram today that said “I identify as a prius”

Pretty funny.

[Axe]

This is exactly why I hate conversing with you... you're completely illogical. The question of cost was never brought up, but of course you start talking about how people cannot afford trucks anymore somehow as if that has anything to do with OP or your earlier post in regards to fuel efficiency.

Lets sum up this conversation

You: American Trucks dont get anywhere near 30mpg, low 20s at best, buy japanese truck
Me: New american FULL SIZE truck gets 33mpg
You: But they cost so much now and no one can afford them so buy a japanese car

????

I guess that's the reason why ford brought in the smaller ranger after they discontinued the nameplate there for several years. Too bad the small ecoboost engine doesn't give out more than 26mpg tho but if were talking about fuel economy here, why not just get the 3-liter v6 turbodiesels of the usual trucks? Has plenty of torque for their displacements too although diesels are dirtier and their prices are more expensive there.

Secondly, what Honda truck gives you 30 in the city and 40 on the highway? Or are you seriously comparing trucks to cars all of a sudden?

I guess he was talking about the honda ridgeline, a truck that looks like a crossover but that thing can't do 30mpg either, only 28 at best. Then again, who buys these trucks for frugal fuel consumption?

[coin24]

One protester edition please

[AirBonner]

One protester edition please

It comes with ram bars and channels for the blood to drain