Lakers Trash without Lebron: Year 18 of carrying a team

[TAZORAC]

If LBJ was injured the Lakers would be slightly better then the Warriors. LBJ has been carrying teams for 18 season (yes he carried the Heat because Wade only played 40 games a season when he was on the Heat).

It's time people humble themselves and pay HOMAGE to the GOAT, who's carrying a sorry team to a number 1 seed in the West at almost 36 years old, in his 18th season.

All your favorite players, were retired, or put in the game to foul people in the 4th quarter in their 18th season.

[tpols]

Lebron is like a star QB to AD's star WR/TE. Like Terrell Owens to Donovan McNabb. If you get rid of a teams quarterback, and replace him with a 3rd stringer, what's that star reciever supposed to do? He cant step in and play quarterback himself, and his impact is going to be tied to the guys trying to get him the ball. Of course, this only exists in a Harden/Lebron/Westbrook esque system where one guy dominates the ball and discourages winning by ball movement, but rather through forceful quarterbacking. When you get rid of the QB the team cant suddenly start playing like the spurs.

[bigbrownschaub]

Lebron is like a star QB to AD's star WR/TE. Like Terrell Owens to Donovan McNabb. If you get rid of a teams quarterback, and replace him with a 3rd stringer, what's that star reciever supposed to do? He cant step in and play quarterback himself, and his impact is going to be tied to the guys trying to get him the ball. Of course, this only exists in a Harden/Lebron/Westbrook esque system where one guy dominates the ball and discourages winning by ball movement, but rather through forceful quarterbacking. When you get rid of the QB the team cant suddenly start playing like the spurs.

it all starts with the coach b. greg pops are one in a hundred.

[Soundwave]

LeBron plays a ball dominant/offence dominant style that doesn't allow the teams he plays to develop and grow around him organically. Been that way his whole career. He's not really able to play a different style, whereas Jordan (change to the triangle, play off the ball more, go more into the post) and even Kobe (to accomodate Shaq) were able to do that for the betterment of the team.

If you have a home where only 2/5 people in the house get enough food because one of the people there can't share calories with anyone else, well you can't really be shocked then that there's 3 skinny ass people in the house.

LeBron Ball starves the roster outside of him and maybe 1 other guy.

[FromDowntown]

LeBron plays a ball dominant/offence dominant style that doesn't allow the teams he plays to develop grow around him. Been that way his whole career. He's not really able to play a different style, whereas Jordan (change to the triangle, play off the ball more, go more into the post) and even Kobe (to accomodate Shaq) were able to do that for the betterment of the team.

If you have a home where only 2/5 people in the house get enough food because one of the people there can't share calories with anyone else, well you can't really be shocked then that there's 3 skinny ass people in the house.

LeBron Ball starves the roster outside of him and maybe 1 other guy.

DOESN'T allow them to Grow around him?

Please tell me who was making a splash in the playoffs and then "stopped growing" around LeBron?

Dwyane Wade
2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 hadn't gotten out of the first round in 4 years
4 years of 1st round defeats, Then LBJ arrives and he makes 4 Finals in a row and wins two chips
Ether

Chris Bosh
2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 7 years
2 playoff appearances, two 1st round defeats. Then LBJ arrives and he makes 4 Finals in a row and wins two chips
Ether

Kyrie Irving
Three years, 2012, 2013, 2014
ZERO playoff appearances Then LBJ arrives and he makes three Finals in a row and wins a chip
Ether

Kevin Love
ZERO playoff appearances in 6 years from 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014
Then LBJ arrives and he makes three Finals in a row and wins a chip
Ether

Anthony Davis
7 years, 2 playoff appearances ONE 1st round win
Then LBJ arrives and...?
Ether

If you don't know anything about the sport then maybe you should be keep your mouth closed. Read more and post less. Learn things.



You're welcome

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

LeBron plays a ball dominant/offence dominant style that doesn't allow the teams he plays to develop grow around him. Been that way his whole career. He's not really able to play a different style, whereas Jordan (change to the triangle, play off the ball more, go more into the post) and even Kobe (to accomodate Shaq) were able to do that for the betterment of the team.

If you have a home where only 2/5 people in the house get enough food because one of the people there can't share calories with anyone else, well you can't really be shocked then that there's 3 skinny ass people in the house.

Nonsense.

His offense is the main reason dude is one of the greatest floor raisers ever. Nobody did more with less than Bron circa the Cleveland years. He later goes onto win championships with other ball dominant players. Both in Miami and during his second stint w/ Cleveland. Now Bron has reformed his game once more, and leads the league in assists. The Lakers have the #1 seed.

If the criticism is LeBron not meshing as well with superstars. I would say relative to who? But you could make that argument and there would be some validity. Carrying and meshing with role players is what he does best though.

[kawhileonard2]

We have seen this with 3 teams and all with mega stars.

[red1]

I remember last summer when they just had AD and lebron and I think danny green on the books - they filled the rest of the roster out from there



you can tell that they used scraps to fill out the roster now that green is struggling - demarcus is somewhere laughing at home

[warriorfan]

LeBron plays a ball dominant/offence dominant style that doesn't allow the teams he plays to develop and grow around him organically. Been that way his whole career. He's not really able to play a different style, whereas Jordan (change to the triangle, play off the ball more, go more into the post) and even Kobe (to accomodate Shaq) were able to do that for the betterment of the team.

If you have a home where only 2/5 people in the house get enough food because one of the people there can't share calories with anyone else, well you can't really be shocked then that there's 3 skinny ass people in the house.

LeBron Ball starves the roster outside of him and maybe 1 other guy.

The ether.

[red1]

LeBron plays a ball dominant/offence dominant style that doesn't allow the teams he plays to develop and grow around him organically. Been that way his whole career. He's not really able to play a different style, whereas Jordan (change to the triangle, play off the ball more, go more into the post) and even Kobe (to accomodate Shaq) were able to do that for the betterment of the team.

If you have a home where only 2/5 people in the house get enough food because one of the people there can't share calories with anyone else, well you can't really be shocked then that there's 3 skinny ass people in the house.

LeBron Ball starves the roster outside of him and maybe 1 other guy.

not at all. lebrons style has brought a ring to every franchise he's ever played for - which players did he limit and how? give me one single player.


as far as reaching their potential - I cant see bosh or love or irving in a better position to win a ring in their career.

[Roundball_Rock]

Lebron is like a star QB to AD's star WR/TE. Like Terrell Owens to Donovan McNabb. If you get rid of a teams quarterback, and replace him with a 3rd stringer, what's that star reciever supposed to do?

The Eagles went 5-1 with third stringer A.J. Feeley in 02' with scrub receivers (TO was there in 04' and part of 05').

His offense is the main reason dude is one of the greatest floor raisers ever. Nobody did more with less than Bron circa the Cleveland years. He later goes onto win championships with other ball dominant players. Both in Miami and during his second stint w/ Cleveland. Now Bron has reformed his game once more, and leads the league in assists. The Lakers have the #1 seed.

Plus it has worked his entire career with different players, different coaches, etc. around him. Why would he or his teams change a successful approach? He was in the finals at 22 and in Miami he made the finals his first year, won the second and the same happened in his second Cleveland stint. In LA they are the #1 seed in his second year there. He gave Miami and Cleveland easily their best years ever.

People talk about him like he was putting up numbers on average or bad teams like he was Dominique Wilkins, Grant Hill or T Mac and failed to adapt despite the complete absence of team success. Ironically, a lot of LeBron critics will praise players like Wilkins and Hill.

[red1]

these are the real facts

[AirBonner]

AD could never lead a team to 50wins but Pippen was able to without MJ

[BigtimeNBAFan]

Yeah that is why they call him the King.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

The Eagles went 5-1 with third stringer A.J. Feeley in 02' with scrub receivers (TO was there in 04' and part of 05').



Plus it has worked his entire career with different players, different coaches, etc. around him. Why would he or his teams change a successful approach? He was in the finals at 22 and in Miami he made the finals his first year, won the second and the same happened in his second Cleveland stint. In LA they are the #1 seed in his second year there. He gave Miami and Cleveland easily their best years ever.

People talk about him like he was putting up numbers on average or bad teams like he was Dominique Wilkins, Grant Hill or T Mac and failed to adapt despite the complete absence of team success. Ironically, a lot of LeBron critics will praise players like Wilkins and Hill.

Yeah don't get it twisted. The OP and his reasoning is wack. You'd need a replacement for Lebron for that theory to hold weight.

You remove Davis from the equation and at this age, I doubt Bron can carry this team for 82 games. Let alone a deep playoff run.

The talk about Miami is like a double-edged sword. I wont argue that Bron left a championship off the table, and that he deserved majority of the blame. That stain from his resume will never go away. Beyond that though what years did he underachieve, post 2011? Miami won back-to-back and then lost to a better team in 2014. Bron had a pretty decent series but his team got smoked. From there, what years were his teams the favorite? We can point out flaws in his game, and we all know he's got them. To say that Lebron underachieved is wrong though.