LeBron James' level of play in the 2014 NBA Finals

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Whose using "DBPM" to make a defensive argument?



Blk/Stl/DReb are ALL raw numbers. You don't get to pretend they didn't happen. Sorry, no dice.

[knicksman]

what really happened is that miami lost in 2013 but stern want them to win on the condition that they will give it to spurs the next year thats why lebron quit in game 3. Its the same reason why durant is injured last finals and this season coz kawhi sacrificed himself in 2017 and 2018 to give durant 2 rings.

[Lebron23]

what really happened is that miami lost in 2013 but stern want them to win on the condition that they will give it to spurs the next year thats why lebron quit in game 3. Its the same reason why durant is injured last finals and this season coz kawhi sacrificed himself in 2017 and 2018 to give durant 2 rings.

Excuses, Excuses. 2013 heat were a better team than the 2014 heat. The 2014 miami heat team lacked motivations and hunger after 4 straight trips in the nba finals.

[knicksman]

Excuses, Excuses. 2013 heat were a better team than the 2014 heat. The 2014 miami heat team lacked motivations and hunger after 4 straight trips in the nba finals.

shut up jeff. fcuk off weirdo

[3ball]

The argument for Kawhi is definitely weaker. Thru 3, Bron was held without a touch in 35% of all possessions with Kawhi on him. And 25% against all other defenders. Not a big enough edge to give Kawhi lone credit.

^^ Did you read that in an article or something?

So why don't you acknowledge the article from SB Nation that showed the Spurs' primary strategy was exploiting the bad fit between Lebron and Wade.. Neither Lebron nor Wade likes to play the "shooter" role, and this skill deficit was the source of their exploitability, strategic inferiority and ultimately, their inferiority to MJ, Bird, and Kobe.

Bron shot well with Kawhi as his primary defender in G3, and yet Miami still lost by 19.


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So why didn't lebron score 19 more or have a drtg under 110 (shouldn't be too much to ask)

^^^ that type of scoring increase worked in 2016 to overcome greater odds and turn a series around, but he simply failed in 2014 despite having a defending champion team of multiple HOF's, stars, and good odds

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

^^ Did you read that in an article or something?

Those are the actual numbers. And it is objective data.

The facts might hurt, but don't run away from them.

So why didn't lebron score 19 more or have a drtg under 110 (shouldn't be too much to ask)

Jordan never did that so why/how would Lebron? And where do those extra possessions come from?

^^^ that worked in 2016 to overcome greater odds, but he simply failed in 2014 despite having a defending champion team of multiple HOF's, stars, and good odds

'16 LeBron averaged 36 points after being down 3-1.

Why expect Bron to do that TWICE when your hero only did it once? Again, Mike only averaged over 36 points in a series, one time.

[3ball]

Jordan never did that so why/how would Lebron? And where do those extra possessions come from?

Where did the possessions come from in 16', when lebron's scoring average increased 12 points over the last 3 games?

How did the 95' or 96' Bulls absorb Jordan's goat volume back into the mix?.. pippen's scoring barely dipped, so it was all the bit-players that took tiny haircuts of 1-2 points each - and that's how it's supposed to be - an EQUITABLE reduction across the board, not a massive reduction for 1 or 2 key players (which indicates bad fit, aka skill deficit)

Ultimately, there's no pre-set number of possessions, so when someone says that lebron should've played better, this assumes the game would've been different (a different team setting the pace, different teammate contributions, and different game dynamics like offensive rebs)

And again, a scoring increase like that already turned around a series with worse odds, so it would've worked in 14' too

Those are the actual numbers. And it is objective data.

The facts might hurt, but don't run away from them.

So you're a bot that can't process qualitative facts, like the Spurs targeting a skill deficit in Lebron to beat him, nearly twice..

^^^ This is also objective fact, but you ignore it like a bot would.. get out of the basement.. pick up a ball

'16 LeBron averaged 36 points after being down 3-1.

Why expect Bron to do that TWICE when your hero only did it once? Again, Mike only averaged over 36 points in a series, one time.

Jordan 91-93' Finals

36/7/8 on 53%


Jordan averaged 36 over numerous 3-game stretches in the Finals, and also in 2 Finals overall (92', 93')

Mike only averaged over 36 points in a series, one time.

He averaged that for entire playoff runs and has 6 series of 40+

[kawhileonard2]

He shot 20% FG with me on him that series.

[Roundball_Rock]

Whose using "DBPM" to make a defensive argument?



Blk/Stl/DReb are ALL raw numbers. You don't get to pretend they didn't happen. Sorry, no dice.

He and his minions (tpols, ImKobe, et. al.) only understand PPG.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Where did the possessions come from in 16', when lebron's scoring average increased 12 points over the last 3 games?

How did the 95' or 96' Bulls absorb Jordan's goat volume back into the mix?.. pippen's scoring barely dipped, so it was all the bit-players that took tiny haircuts of 1-2 points each - and that's how it's supposed to be - an EQUITABLE reduction across the board, not a massive reduction for 1 or 2 key players (which indicates bad fit, aka skill deficit)

Ultimately, there's no pre-set number of possessions, so when someone says that lebron should've played better, this assumes the game would've been different (a different team setting the pace, different teammate contributions, and different game dynamics like offensive rebs)

And again, a scoring increase like that already turned around a series with worse odds, so it would've worked in 14' too

All of that longwind YET LeBron's production per possession rivaled '91 Jordan. These over-wordy posts not saying anything are irrelevant. Try again but with facts.

Once more, Lebron's play was not the problem. His second and third options were. Ditto with Miami's team defense. We also know Mike only averaged 36+ one time in the finals.

So you're a bot that can't process qualitative facts, like the Spurs targeting a skill deficit in Lebron to beat him, nearly twice.

Everything you just said was opinion though. Learn the difference between what a fact is.

The numbers and data are on my side, not on yours. Miami's second and third options were outscored by 4 or 5 different Spur players. And their production as a whole was outmatched by a handful of Spur players.

Jordan 91-93' Finals

36/7/8 on 53%

That's what he averaged in 3 combined finals. He only averaged over 36 points in a finals once.

He averaged that for entire playoff runs and has 6 series of 40+

We're talking about the finals, dimwit Once again. Mike only averaged over 36+ in a finals series ONE TIME.

I know that you're desperate for social interaction, but posting lies and spamming the board is weak. Educate yourself.

[knicksman]

He and his minions (tpols, ImKobe, et. al.) only understand PPG.

Anthony davis was worth more all the players that were given up. Why? Coz quality > quantity. And the same logic applies to skills thus kawhi 2 legit rings while lebron has 0.