Here's some stats for a couple guys that once placed 3rd in MVP voting

[Nashty]

Who cares for 90s, weak ass era, Allen Crabbe would win 10 MVPs and 10 FMVPs playing against these plumbers from the 90s.

[Kblaze8855]

No one's saying that Pippen sucked

The person who made this topic says it all the time....and believes it genuinely. Also believes Steph Curry couldn’t make the nba in the 70s.....while you and many like you stay acting like he’s some reasonable person.

[SATAN]

Hard for Pippen to shoot more when MJ is hogging the shit out of the ball all game. Terrible thread.

[Lebron23]

Hard for Pippen to shoot more when MJ is hogging the shit out of the ball all game. Terrible thread.

Jordan got a taste of his own medicine when he played with a ballhog like Jerry Stackhouse.

[Nashty]

Why are we talking about stats from these players from 90s, we should be debating which one of them can replace a broken water heater in less time.

[3ball]

Hard for Pippen to shoot more when MJ is hogging the shit out of the ball all game. Terrible thread.

How can Pippen shoot more when he's a poor shooter and can't iso?

pippen got FLOW points... There's only so many of those per game

We saw Pippen's peak capacity - 22.0 and 5.6 apg.. that's less raw production than his high alongside MJ (21.0 and 7.0)

21-22 with 6 apg was pippen's peak capability... So that's equivalent peak to your typical 1-2 time all-star

[AirBonner]

Madonna preferred Pippen

[Roundball_Rock]

Madonna preferred Pippen

Oh oh--you are going to get SamuraiSwish/Coach/PoutinPippen/etc. (same guy) rushing to defend MJ's "D" again.

[FromDowntown]

How weak was MJ's era if a scrub (as 1-9 ball and other MJ stains remind us daily) was placing 3rd in MVP and taking first and second place votes from peak Hakeem and peak Robinson (George has never gotten a first or second place vote in his career--Pippen did it multiple times) and was 94-68 ahead of prime Malone (MJ's biggest finals comp, right? ) and further still over prime Barkley (MJ's second biggest finals comp?) in all-NBA?

I have MJ 2nd all-time but maybe I have to reconsider it based on the information from his fans about how he played in such a weak era. Imagine LeBron in an era where Draymond was a superstar/MVP candidate/1st team all-NBA lead vote getter/etc. Instead Draymond is a 3rd/4th option in today's era.

DAGGER. HEART.

R.I.P. op

[ImKobe]

Notice how Prime Pippen's stats where great without Jordan

A 2nd option that ranks this well in all of these categories without the 1st Option.

Pippen in 93-94:

- 3rd in Plus/Minus
- 4th in PER
- 5th In Defensive Plus/Minus
- 5th In Offensive Plus/Minus
- 5th In Value Over Replacement Player
- 7th in Defensive Win Shares
- 7th in Win Shares
- 7th In Defensive Rating
- 9th in Win Shares Per 48 Minutes
- 55 Wins (Two Less than the year prior with 1st Option Jordan)

In the 90's what other teams 2nd option could rank this well in advanced stats while playing without their 1st option?

Drexler before Hakeem? Penny without Shaq? D-Rob before Duncan? Kevin Johnson before Barkley? Heck, D-Rob led the league in DRTG, WS/48 & DBPM playing with Duncan when they won the title in '99.. Pippen was top 3 in +/- and top 4 in PER and top 5 in a bunch of these stats because the best player in the league retired, of course he moves up a spot in these rankings. What did he do once the Bulls ran into the Knicks again in the Playoffs?

Why are we acting as if Pippen's the only great 2nd option of the 90s? He averaged a few more points a game without Jordan but then wilted against the Knicks after putting up elite numbers against them as a 2nd option the year before. The Bulls were headed nowhere in '95 while Pippen was begging for MJ to return live on TV..

[FromDowntown]

What about this



You always get beet red and put your in your lap when this gets posted. Don't be shy

[Roundball_Rock]

What about this



You always get beet red and put your in your lap when this gets posted. Don't be shy

It is funny OP picked George and not Wade, another player who peaked at 3rd in MVP (same as Pippen: one 3rd, one 5th--except Wade was never top 5 alongside LeBron while Pippen was alongside MJ). This is what makes the insecurity of 1-9ball and co. worse: Wade is long gone but here is LeBron yet again contending for a chip in 2020/year 17.

Expect more meltdowns over Pippen as the playoffs continue and the Lakers advance.

[TheCorporation]

It is funny OP picked George and not Wade, another player who peaked at 3rd in MVP (same as Pippen: one 3rd, one 5th--except Wade was never top 5 alongside LeBron while Pippen was alongside MJ). This is what will make the insecurity of 1-9ball and co. worse: Wade is long gone but here is LeBron yet again contending for a chip in 2020/year 17.

Expect more meltdowns over Pippen as the playoffs continue and the Lakers advance.

If the Lakers win a chip this year and LeBron gets to 7300 points I think 1-9ball's head will explode

[Roundball_Rock]

If the Lakers win a chip this year and LeBron gets to 7300 points I think 1-9ball's head will explode

It will be amusing to watch the rolling meltdown.

What will tomorrow's daily insecure Pippen thread from 1-9ball be about?

[HoopsNY]

No one's saying that Pippen sucked, I do find issue in people using some random media member's MVP vote as an argument to put one player over another. And yes, Pippen's era was weak for elite forwards compared to 2010-20.

Dominique, Chambers, Worthy, Hill, Barkley, Malone, Kemp, Rodman, Mullin, Bird, KG, Duncan, Coleman is weak for elite forwards? You say compared to 2010-20, but is it, really?

He wasn't going up against Lebron/Kawhi/KD/Giannis/AD to make those 1st teams and the Centers only had one slot on that team and I've seen you compare Pippen's All-NBA 1st teams to Centers in his era to argue him over them as well.

I'll give you Giannis and KD. But you would have to swap Pippen and another elite 3 or 4 to make the comparison even, since the discussion is about facing competition. In addition, AD played a lot of games as a center. That leaves KD, Giannis, and Kawhi or LeBron.

Pippen from 1996-2003 was also dealing with a prime Tim Duncan ('97-'03) and KG ('96-03). And from '87-'99, you had prime Charles Barkley and Karl Malone.

With Barkley declining/getting injured, there was no real competition for that 2nd F spot on the first team before Grant Hill, who made 2nd team his rookie year and was 1st Team over Pippen by his 2nd year '97. Chuck was missing too many games, though I do think he still should have been 1st team over Pippen in '95 with the Suns winning 59 games despite KJ missing almost half the season. Bulls were 3 games above .500 and didn't win more than 3 in a row all year prior to MJ's return.

The same could be said with 2010 onward. At best, Tim Duncan finished All-NBA 1st team once and KG didn't have any 1st team selections. Players decline, new players emerge. It happens.