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    https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2...-with-nuggets/

    Analysis: With Nuggets’ conquest of Clippers, are the Utah Jazz closer to next level than we thought?





























    Who knows? A starting PF and some vets instead of rookies the coach won't play might have made all the difference in the world. A new coach and front office might as well. You've got one of the few guys in the league that has been able to single handedly carry a team the past 5 plus years


    After all, the Jazz held a 3-1 lead over the Nuggets and a 15-point advantage in the second half of Game 5, they were a Mike Conley 3-pointer at the buzzer of Game 7 away from salvaging the surrendered advantage. And they did it all without their second-best offensive player, as Bojan Bogdanovic missed the entire seven games due to wrist surgery.
    2nd leading scorer not 2nd best offensive player though he might be after Rudy

    Meanwhile, with the Clippers employing the traditional paint-bound Ivica Zubac and the rim-running Montrezl Harrell as their two primary bigs, Rudy Gobert would theoretically have had more of a defensive impact, given his increased ability to patrol the lane, rather than chase another 5-out center around the 3-point line.


    and less impact on the offensive end with those guys defending him instead of Jokic?


    Certainly, it’s no stretch to say that the Lakers would have been an exceedingly difficult matchup for Utah. Los Angeles' length and sized proved problematic for the Jazz in both regular-season games and the one restart seeding matchup they faced off in — all of which were won by the Lakers.


    Maybe small ball could have hurt the Lakers too?

    That’s not a terribly compelling résumé for being legit contenders. Also, let’s not forget that this roster has certifiable deficiencies in terms of perimeter defense, a consistent backup for Gobert and a dearth of depth — factors that played a significant role late against Denver.
    Again no mention of a starting PF. Quit blaming their problems on the youngest guy on the team who lead the league in offensive rebound % and is improving rapidly. They need defenders. They Need size. They need depth

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    https://www.deseret.com/sports/2020/...ll-rudy-gobert

    The queries have come as the Jazz have made the leap from bad to good under Snyder and Lindsey, improving from a 38-44 record in the 2014-15 season — Snyder’s first — to 51-31 two seasons later. In addition to more wins, Utah made the second round of the playoffs in 2017 and 2018.

    Trying helps. After that first season where they were the 6th best team in the league after Kanter was traded and it officially became Rudy's team though that started in December they added Neto and Pleiss. Not the veteran pg they desperately needed though rookie Neto was better than Burke as we knew from the first time he stepped on the court in summer league and Exum. Finally added 3rd stringer Mack who made a huge difference but it was too little too late! With Hayward becoming a free agent they finally add some help for Rudy and thanks to Favors injury and Hood sucking we finally got a glimpse of what they could be with 4 guys spacing the floor around Rudy. So what do they do? Trash that and replace Hill with Rubio and put Favors and Hood back in the starting lineup! After two years of that they finally fix the offense with guess what 4 shooters around Rudy! Unfortunately they did it with no PF, little D, depth, vets and the same coach!

    So, first and foremost, the Jazz’s most likely path to greatness is that Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert take more steps forward after being named All-Stars this season. Mitchell needs to be among the NBA’s elite scorers and Gobert needs to remain among the top defenders in the league.

    Mitchell needs to be one of the best players in the league like Rudy which means becoming more efficient and playing at least some D


    “The one thing we were missing was Bojan’s ability to score over the top of the defense in a simple and very efficient way,” Lindsey said.

    offense wasn't the problem. How are these guys in charge?

    Some questions will have to be answered during the offseason about the back half of the rotation, but those aren’t generally factors that vault a team from good to great. A big X-factor that can, though, is luck. Whether fortunate or unfortunate, a lot of things have to break right for a team to be great once it has good enough players in place to be successful.

    giving the money to Ed instead of a starting pf and carrying 6 rookies instead of vets who Snyder wouldn't play because they didn't go to Duke has nothing to do with luck!

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    https://bustingbrackets.com/2020/09/...-franchise/15/

    Biggest needs: Point guard/shooting guard and power forward
    got one of them right anyway. starting PF PF PF PF PF!!!!!!


    Considering that Conley had his struggles fitting in this past season, it won’t be surprising if Utah goes for another ball-handler. That was a major problem in the Denver series, with the Jazz not having many players who can create their own offense.

    how can anyone watch and think they need more offense?

    Upgrading the frontcourt could also help but when your star guard averaged 37 ppg and your team still loses, giving Mitchell help should be of huge priority for Utah. Maybe Utah can find another gem to propel themselves to the western conference finals, and eventually, get their revenge on Denver.



    and Conley over 20, Rudy at 17 and whatever Clarkson put up. D fense D fense D fense!!!

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    This is Utah’s main use of finding a guy who can slide into its rotation. Obviously, there is significant Derrick Favors speculation here. Here’s the deal. There is mutual interest. Favors would not mind a return to Utah, even if it means coming off the bench as Gobert’s primary backup. But, at this point, that’s all it is … interest. The Jazz have to decide whether Favors would be the right place to spend their most significant chunk of offseason money, especially considering finding a 3-and-D wing is of greater priority. Favors will have multiple suitors on the market, including his incumbent team, the New Orleans Pelicans. So, there’s a lot that can happen between now and the opening of free agency.
    – via Tony Jones @ The Athletic


    starting PF or STFU!!!!!!!!

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    https://www.deseret.com/sports/2020/...offseason-2020

    SALT LAKE CITY — Entering the 2019-2020 season, one of the narratives surrounding the Utah Jazz was the notion that they would have good depth after signing players such as Jeff Green and Ed Davis in free agency.

    that's the narrative every year and it's rarely true. This year they especially looked thin and that was before Green and Davis didn't work out and they ended up with 6 rookies not playing

    That proved to not be the case, as Green and Davis were an utter failure. Additionally, a third offseason signee, Emmanuel Mudiay, had a few good moments but nothing great and returnee Dante Exum was traded at Christmastime after once again not being impactful because of injury.

    Exum sucks. could e stop with the narative it was because of injury! Mudiay was fine for a minumum wage end of the rotation guy. Needed more of them not 6 rookies not from Duke

    The good news for the Jazz was that the unit of Donovan Mitchell, Joe Ingles, Royce O’Neale, Bojan Bogdanovic and Rudy Gobert was arguably the best 5-man unit in the entire league with a net rating of 13.7 in 570 minutes, and the one replacing Ingles with Mike Conley wasn’t too far behind, with a net rating of 9.7 in 381 minutes.


    I bet the rating wasn't that good against the best competition. They beat up on crappy teams again

    Yes, Bogdanovic, Conley, Ingles, Mitchell, Gobert and O’Neale will all be back next season barring a wholly unexpected shakeup, but the Jazz could still stand to improve their second unit this offseason. The good news for them is that they have a couple of avenues to do so.

    starting PF!

    While not an improvement per se, the most important step for the bench surely is bringing back Clarkson, who is an unrestricted free agent. The marriage between he and Utah was a good one for both sides after the trade, and the Jazz will be able to offer him more money than any other team (they hold what is known as his Bird rights).

    2nd step is letting him go!

    While the hope of Utah’s front office surely would be that they can add a few quality free agents using the exceptions, there are also a bevy of players who could provide internal improvement. Tony Bradley came out of nowhere this season to be a relatively productive backup center, but can he continue to get even better?

    youngest guy on the team who got better all year. Why wouldn't he?

    Additionally, there are a whole bunch of guys who played mostly with the Salt Lake City Stars who could theoretically improve to the point of becoming a rotation regular next season. Morgan is certainly the most likely candidate after filling in well enough for Bogdanovic in the playoffs, but could players such as Jarrell Brantley and Miye Oni take steps forward?

    Brantley seems most likely and Tucker should be in the mix as well. Could improve their D!

    The last item in reshaping the bench is figuring out what needs are left after the seeming likelihood that Mudiay will depart in free agency and that the Jazz could look to trade Davis for a bit of salary relief, even if all they get in return is something like a second-round draft pick.

    They aren't getting anything for Davis. they are giving something to get rid of him!

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    The Jazz certainly signed those end-of-bench rookies with the hope that at least of them would turn into a rotation player over time, but I’d probably suggest more patience here. Going from a 15th-man type role to being in the rotation is a big jump. If they felt like any of those guys was close to helping a contender, then at least one of them would have hit 200 minutes at some point. None did, even with extra minutes as Utah began resting rotation players down the stretch. (In Brantley’s case, he didn’t even reach 100 season minutes.)

    they can help

    Brantley will become a RFA if the Jazz first offer him a second two-way contract with $50,000 guaranteed salary. Then, he can either accept that contract offer and return on a two-way, or enter free agency and see if he can get an offer from someone for a standard NBA deal that the Jazz could decide whether to match. Oni and Tucker are both under contract for next season, but without full guarantees. Oni is reportedly fully non-guaranteed, while $340,000 of Tucker’s salary is already locked in.

    1st team all gleague. He's done what he can there. Needs a shot at a rotation somwhere

    If you could teleport one previous non All-Star Jazz man from before 2010 onto this team, who would it be and why? @jarommoore
    Millsap

    I love Harrison (as stated above), but I think of him more as a wing. If we’re talking about the third string, cheap backup point guard options are relatively easy to come by. D.J. Agustin, E’Twaun Moore, Yogi Ferrell, Shabazz Napier, or frankly even Raul Neto. Or yeah, to your point, they could use the 11th through 15th man spots on some young guys who have potential, so that if one of them hits they might get a future rotation player out of it. That’s how Utah has been using its deep bench roles recently.

    Neto wasn't appreciated first time around

    The Jazz had a miss-matched roster last year with three starting non-shooters but panicked and swung way too far in the other direction. Now they have too many ball-dominant guards and not enough defense. Had we simply signed Bogdanovic and let Rubio go then made the Clarkson trade we would have had great balance and complementary skills.

    They didn't panic. They waited 2 years to do what was obvious. Did a horrible jobe filling in the rest of the roster

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    https://saltcityhoops.com/offseason-...xtension-more/

    That said, forking over the supermax (a contract starting at 35% of the team salary cap) for someone who’s not a perennial MVP candidate can be pretty limiting. So what does Utah do with all of that? I have no clue. I wouldn’t fault them for erring on the side of rewarding their player. I also wouldn’t fault them if they were able to give him a little less without making him feel unappreciated. It doesn’t sound as though Gobert himself is obsessed with the supermax as a validation of his worth.

    Pay him more than other teams can offer and hope it's enough. If he's smart he leaves and goes where they will put a team around him

    So to answer your broader question here: I quite like Utah’s core. They are entering a period where they’ll be capped out for the foreseeable future and their only way to get better will be smart upgrades on the margins. That’s difficult, but every team deals with that as they rise to contender status, because great players get paid. They’re in good shape, but nailing those complementary roster moves is going to become increasingly important. Hopefully the Jazz can become a destination for useful veterans, the way other small markets like Milwaukee and San Antonio did once they became elite.

    they never have been able to fill the margins. Doesn't sound like this off season will be any different either

    I hear you. I am pro-Favors, too, and the possibility of him returning is real. That said, if Gobert gets anything close to the supermax and Favors gets the full MLE, then you’re spending $45 million on the center position. So I get why it’s worth thinking about how that move fits in the broader prioritization of things. Really what it comes down to is this: the Jazz have a couple different needs to address and a finite number of tools they can use to address them. Favors at the full MLE might wind up being the right answer, but it depends on how the market plays out relative to their other needs. Which leads right into the next couple of questions…

    Bradley and a cheap vet behind him. **** Favors!

    They’d probably need to buy Favors 3-4 minutes per half alongside Gobert, just to get his minute total to a range where he’d be satisfied. But it certainly wouldn’t need to be during the opening minutes of halves. A few nightly minutes at power forward would bring Favors’ average to 20-22 (more if Gobert misses any time), and that’s probably appropriate.

    no thanks!

    As for Davis, he just didn’t work out, and I don’t think he has a future role with the Jazz. If they can’t move him, they’ll just eat his remaining $5 million and either let him hang at the end of the bench or let him walk. They’ll try to move off that $5 million, but if they’re able to move him, it will probably be for someone else’s distressed asset. For example, Toronto isn’t really using Stanley Johnson, a big wing who hasn’t lived up to his defensive reputation and who doesn’t shoot well. If Johnson opts into his $3.8 million next season (which he almost surely will), the Raptors might want to move him. And who knows, maybe they’d prefer a deep bench center at $5M over a deep bench wing at nearly $4M. It’s hard to say. But that’s the best case scenario in a Davis trade: swapping Utah’s non-rotation veteran for somebody else’s non-rotation veteran.

    or throwing in assets for someone to take him or eating his contrat which is unlikely

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    https://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...Favors-Reunion

    Yay more 2nd rounders that won't play and probably won't even have a gleague to play in!

    Hopefully someone wants to pay Favors more

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    https://www.deseret.com/sports/2020/...ver-nba-bubble

    If the Jazz use part of the MLE on a guy like Baynes, who by the way would give the Jazz a frontcourt perimeter threat, or are able to free up enough cap money to use on him, they could use the rest or all of the MLE and the biannual exception to find versatile defending wings that they desperately need to fill out the roster.

    They are in desperate need of a starting 4! Did anyone watch the team this year at all? After that you can talk about whatever and whoever but that's where it needs to start


    That being said, I can’t say what the Jazz would do. But, I can say what I would do. I wouldn’t make the deal. I’d be looking forward to the possibility of getting away from Mike Conley’s $34 million contract and freeing up some space for younger players and I wouldn’t want to break up chemistry and continuity for George, who was kind of a dud in the postseason and has not lived up to expectations, all the while being tied to him through the 2021-22 season for $37 million.
    Starting 4. Superstar. D. Pass!

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