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    Default Would LeBron have any rings without collusion?

    ...because he doesn’t.

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    Default Re: Would LeBron have any rings without collusion?

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    Default Re: Would LeBron have any rings without collusion?

    OP would still have literally hundreds of pictures of shirtless men saved on his computer without collusion

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    Default Re: Would LeBron have any rings without collusion?

    Zero rings. Cavs wouldn't suck enough to land Irving and the owner has always been a moron.

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    Default Re: Would LeBron have any rings without collusion?

    Quote Originally Posted by HBK_Kliq_2 View Post
    Zero rings. Cavs wouldn't suck enough to land Irving and the owner has always been a moron.
    Kawhi couldn't even make it past the 2nd round with collusion

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    Default Re: Would LeBron have any rings without collusion?

    Come on, theres nothing wrong with collusion. There are players who were lucky to be drafted into big city teams like Lakers or small market teams with competent FO like the Spurs, they dont need to collude, they cant find a better place to go. Some players are drafted by the likes of, Cavaliers and Pelicans, they have to make a move unless they want to rot in a hopeless place. Lebron has nothing to apologize for colluding, he has every right for this. Lebron's problem is that, his NBA Finals record is abysmal despite collusion, but thats a different issue.

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    Default Re: Would LeBron have any rings without collusion?

    Trades are "collusion" now? They didn't get Davis for free:

    July 6, 2019: As part of a 3-team trade, traded by the New Orleans Pelicans to the Los Angeles Lakers; the Los Angeles Lakers traded Lonzo Ball, Josh Hart, De'Andre Hunter, Brandon Ingram, cash, a 2021 1st round draft pick, a 2023 1st round draft pick and a 2024 1st round draft pick to the New Orleans Pelicans; the Los Angeles Lakers traded Isaac Bonga, Jemerrio Jones, Moritz Wagner and a 2022 2nd round draft pick to the Washington Wizards; and the Washington Wizards traded cash to the New Orleans Pelicans. (9-30 protected, unprotected in 2022) (2023 first-round pick is right to swap with LAL.) (NOP have the option to defer 2024 first-round pick to 2025.) $1MM $1.1MM
    Not exactly getting AD for nothing. Ingram in particular became an all-star this year.

    Nor did the Cavs get Kevin Love for free. The Cavs gave up two #1 overall picks for Love. Yeah, they didn't pan out but that wasn't known at the time of the trade.

    Only joining Wade along with Bosh could even be construed as called "collusion" but that broad definition extends to other cases.

    Was Jordan "colluding" to get a third HOF player (after losing) in Rodman (for a second string center) and demanding, backed by the threat of retirement, that the Bulls never let Pippen go in a trade (not to mention demanding the GOAT coach stay, again backing that demand up with the threat of retirement)? LeBron didn't threaten to retire if the Lakers didn't get AD or the Cavs didn't get Love. It should be noted these weren't idle threats, MJ made good on them in 99' when Pippen and Jackson finally left.
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    Default Re: Would LeBron have any rings without collusion?

    No because lebron's ball-dominance reduces teammates to play-finishers, which doesn't develop brand or young players, therefore requiring ready-made stars to win, aka team-hopping... so lebron is REQUIRED to team-hop for ready-made stars because his ball-dominant skillset doesn't develop young players or brand

    and lebron isn't an elite shooter from anywhere on the floor.. defenses know lebron doesn't "get hot", so they don't have to throw bodies at him to get the ball out of his hands - opponents can play a default, stay-at-home approach that expends less energy, therefore allowing more freshness for offense (more prone to go off)..

    ultimately, lebron's weak shooting and ball-dominant style doesn't shift defenses or wear down teams like the better shooting and ball movement he faces on the championship level, so opponents are always fresher with more capacity to go off (14' Finals).. indeed, Lebron's style loses the attrition battle at the championship level, aka 4/10.. his style applies less pressure than it faces and wears the opponent down less - the best defense is a good offense (a tenet of all competition)

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    Default Re: Would LeBron have any rings without collusion?

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ball View Post
    No because lebron's ball-dominance reduces teammates to play-finishers, which doesn't develop brand or young players, therefore requiring ready-made stars to win, aka team-hopping... so lebron is REQUIRED to team-hop for ready-made stars because his ball-dominant skillset doesn't develop young players or brand

    and lebron isn't an elite shooter from anywhere on the floor.. defenses know lebron doesn't "get hot", so they don't have to throw bodies at him to get the ball out of his hands - opponents can play a default, stay-at-home approach that expends less energy, therefore allowing more freshness for offense (more prone to go off)..

    ultimately, lebron's weak shooting and ball-dominant style doesn't shift defenses or wear down teams like the better shooting and ball movement he faces on the championship level, so opponents are always fresher with more capacity to go off (14' Finals, 09' ECF, 17' Finals, and many more).. indeed, Lebron's style loses the attrition battle at the championship level, aka 4/10.. his style applies less pressure than it faces and wears the opponent down less - the best defense is a good offense (a tenet of all competition)
    is he better than kg and moses malone though?


    top 15?

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    Quote Originally Posted by red1 View Post
    top 15?
    1-9ball debates top 15 with the voices in his head when the real world will be debating LeBron as GOAT in about 10 days. Hence all these meltdowns. They know the "Is LeBron GOAT?" train is leaving the station soon. Sure, there will be plenty of media partisans backing MJ and KAJ will be erased from the debate, but there will be a debate as MJ's throne is increasingly threatened by LeBron. What really drives 1-9ball and co. crazy is LeBron is still going strong. His book won't end in 2020.

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    Quote Originally Posted by red1 View Post
    is he better than kg and moses malone though?


    top 15?
    I have him at #11 or 12, so ahead of KG and Moses, who are closer to #20

    ultimately, lebron was 3/9 in the Finals, so that means he'd have 3 Finals appearances if his career was in the West.. plus this year, so that's 4 total Finals appearances.. that's why winning the Finals matters, otherwise your appearance was conference-dependant

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3ball View Post
    I have him at #11 or 12, so ahead of KG and Moses, who are closer to #20

    ultimately, lebron was 3/9 in the Finals, so that means he'd have 3 Finals appearances if his career was in the West.. plus this year, so 4 total Finals appearances.. that's why winning the Finals matters,botherwise your appearance was conference-dependant
    shut the fuck up you dumbass flip-flopping loser.


    the pippen-led bulls won 55 games without mj.


    mj never won without a 50-win cast that could make the conference semis without him.

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