ball movement has a better long-run championship expectation than ball-dominance

[Manny98]

4 rings as the best player

Most playoff wins ever

Most finals appearances in the 3 point era

Modern day Bill Russell, haters stay mad

[Koresh]

your guy is afraid to shoot and scared of the clutch.. he loves deferring to lesser teammates

ultimately, he shares the load with teammates (tiny margins over teammates in every category, aka shared load), whereas mj carried the scoring load (10-30 more than Pippen in every series) and shared the remaining categories like lebron (tiny margins)

You just contradicted this entire thread. "Deferring to lesser teammates" is a smart play, but that's not my point. The point is ball movement has long-term championships expectations, but Jordan carried the scoring load aka no ball movement since all you care about is scoring. You then criticize LeBron for sharing load with teammates. Your thread has backfired yet again.

You don't even watch the NBA. Stop making threads. You have created the same threads for 5 years now. It's just now it's more LeBron, but in the past two years it was Curry, Kawhi and others who threatened Jordan. Now it's back to LeBron now, but now the bird-fed guy AD is carrying LeBron, but he is bird-fed. Which one is it? Stop contradicting your own arguments to fit your stupid agendas.

Watch basketball, like live basketball, not highlights, or reading box scores. You are completely pathetic.

[8Ball]

Jordan needed a basketball system to become a facilitator and move the ball around.

Jordan needs a system like "Lebron Ball" to succeed, or the triangle. Take your pick.

[sdot_thadon]

I cringe everytime I see Bulls and ''equal opportunity " offense in the same sentence. One guy taking 20 more shots than the next on a team full of guys complaining about shots.....

[3ball]

Jordan needed a basketball system to become a facilitator and move the ball around.

Jordan needs a system like "Lebron Ball" to succeed, or the triangle. Take your pick.

jordan averaged 33/8/8 in 89', including a 24-game stretch at PG (30/9/11)... after just a few games at PG, the national media was already saying that he was a better PG than Magic, Isiah, and stockton

so he was always a great passer, but his goat scoring simply overshadowed it

and Phil inherited a te on the cusp of the Finals.. In 89' (before Phil), Jordan almost beat the Pistons despite Pippen getting 10 on 40% - so he would've won with anyone OTHER than Pippen, thus proving he didn't need Pippen (and Phil wasn't there in 79', so he didn't need either to win)

[3ball]

I cringe everytime I see Bulls and ''equal opportunity " offense in the same sentence. One guy taking 20 more shots than the next on a team full of guys complaining about shots.....

^^^ that's how little offensive help mj had..

when Pippen was averaging 15 on 34% in the 96' Finals, you think he deserved MORE shots??..

how about when he averaged 17 on 41% for the entire 96-98' playoffs??... or 19 on 42% in 6 Finals??... or 12 on 42% vs the 88-90' Pistons??... or 45% true shooting in the 93' Finals?... or 16 on 40% in about a dozen different series???

you think Pippen deserved more shots in these scemarios???... ...

so mj had to take those shots because teammates played at capacity alongside mj, or very close - the stats show this clearly, whereas the stats show the opposite for lebron

we've been over these facts, so I'm surprised you're still chirping the same tune, "mj scored more because he shot more, hurrrdurrr"... okay, well lebron gets more assists because he dribbles and hogs the ball more

offensively, pippen would rank 5th and possibly 7th among teammates in lebron's career.. his peak was 21 ppg in the Finals, compared to 36 for wade and 29 for Kyrie and 33 for AD (35 after he drops 40 tonight).. pippen's peak season was 22 ppg, or nothing compared to lebron's teammates

and the bulls had no 3rd option

it's simply the least offensive help that any multiple champion ever had

[sdot_thadon]

^^^ that's how little offensive help mj had..

when Pippen was averaging 15 on 34% in the 96' Finals, you think he deserved MORE shots??..

how about when he averaged 17 on 41% for the entire 96-98' playoffs??... or 19 on 42% in 6 Finals??... or 12 on 42% vs the 88-90' Pistons??... or 45% true shooting in the 93' Finals?... or 16 on 40% in about a dozen different series???

you think Pippen deserved more shots in these scemarios???... ...

so mj had to take those shots because teammates played at capacity alongside mj, or very close - the stats show this clearly, whereas the stats show the opposite for lebron

we've been over these facts, so I'm surprised you're still chirping the same tune, "mj scored more because he shot more, hurrrdurrr"... okay, well lebron gets more assists because he dribbles and hogs the ball more

offensively, pippen would rank 5th and possibly 7th among teammates in lebron's career.. his peak was 21 ppg in the Finals, compared to 36 for wade and 29 for Kyrie and 33 for AD (35 after he drops 40 tonight).. pippen's peak season was 22 ppg, or nothing compared to lebron's teammates

and the bulls had no 3rd option

it's simply the least offensive help that any multiple champion ever had

You actually didn't refute a single thing I said. Glad we agree.

[8Ball]

jordan averaged 33/8/8 in 89', including a 24-game stretch at PG (30/9/11)... after just a few games at PG, the national media was already saying that he was a better PG than Magic, Isiah, and stockton

so he was always a great passer, but his goat scoring simply overshadowed it

and Phil inherited a te on the cusp of the Finals.. In 89' (before Phil), Jordan almost beat the Pistons despite Pippen getting 10 on 40% - so he would've won with anyone OTHER than Pippen, thus proving he didn't need Pippen (and Phil wasn't there in 79', so he didn't need either to win)

Jordan-Ball needed to be replaced with a superior system "the triangle" in order to win.