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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldrush25 View Post
    At the same age MJ was busy getting swept out of the first round when Lebron brought a group of vagabonds to the NBA finals, but ok.

    MJ couldn't do a damn thing until he had the best team, and that's the unquestioned GOAT?
    If you are not ready to compete on the biggest stage of NBA, then you better not make it there. A college freshman taking a senior level course and gets a B, its still a B, not an A. And it still hurts his GPA, no one cares the fact that he got a B because he took a hard course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxPlayer View Post
    It's called spam
    It's unfortunate you think this way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddlovesnets View Post
    If you are not ready to compete on the biggest stage of NBA, then you better not make it there. A college freshman taking a senior level course and gets a B, its still a B, not an A. And it still hurts his GPA, no one cares the fact that he got a B because he took a hard course.
    wtf?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeerghit View Post
    wtf?
    I think this nets fan is fvcking retarded lol

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    68% to 32% in favor of Scottie of Davis?

    They've gotta be talking about career wise? Because 2020 AD >>> any version of Scottie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddlovesnets View Post
    If you are not ready to compete on the biggest stage of NBA, then you better not make it there. A college freshman taking a senior level course and gets a B, its still a B, not an A. And it still hurts his GPA, no one cares the fact that he got a B because he took a hard course.
    But someone that has the aptitude to take that senior level course, even if he doesn't get an A, is thought of as a smarter person than the person that couldn't even register for the course, because he didn't meet the criteria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doranku View Post
    68% to 32% in favor of Scottie of Davis?

    They've gotta be talking about career wise? Because 2020 AD >>> any version of Scottie
    Career wise it would be 99-1%...so clearly they are talking who the better player was.

    ISH isn't the real world. ISH/places like it are polluted by the MJ stan 24/7 crusade against Pippen (from the same people who hype every single 90's star as flawless--except Pippen ). So Pippen is seen a lot worse here than he is in the real world, where he is ranked 21st-28th all-time (where is Davis at this point?).

    But someone that has the aptitude to take that senior level course, even if he doesn't get an A, is thought of as a smarter person than the person that couldn't even register for the course, because he didn't meet the criteria.
    Yup. LeBron was like a college freshman taking a grad level course.
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    A few things

    -LeBron is going to get a bigger % than normal because it's fresh. A more proper time to ask this would be in a few months. Recency bias is real.

    -Kendrick Perkins is one of these "experts"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roundball_Rock View Post
    Career wise it would be 99-1%...so clearly they are talking who the better player was.

    ISH isn't the real world. ISH/places like it are polluted by the MJ stan 24/7 crusade against Pippen (from the same people who hype every single 90's star as flawless--except Pippen ). So Pippen is seen a lot worse here than he is in the real world, where he is ranked 21st-28th all-time (where is Davis at this point?).



    Yup. LeBron was like a college freshman taking a grad level course.
    Which version(s) of Scottie is better than 2020 AD?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meticode View Post
    LeBron is #3 for me. He has the ability to make it #2, but unlikely he'll be GOAT because he's going to need 6 rings total to do it.
    Who is your #2? Russell? Kareem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doranku View Post
    Which version(s) of Scottie is better than 2020 AD?
    There are none. He had the best big man playoff run since '03 Duncan. Nobody talks about '91 Pippen or '92 Pippen as benchmark playoff runs. AD's 2020 is a benchmark type performance for future big men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doranku View Post
    Which version(s) of Scottie is better than 2020 AD?
    This isn't a Pippen thread. The fact is ESPN surveyed experts (I didn't have a vote) and Pippen beat AD in a landslide. Sorry, but the ISH "Pippen sucks" echo chamber isn't the way he is viewed outside of ISH.

    Pippen is consensus top 20-30 all-time (Davis is top 15-20 then? For what? Finishing 3rd, 5th in MVP once*--same as Pippen?)--and usually in the front half of that group--outside of the ISH, a place where he is Iggy and PG>>>Pippen.

    The question to ask here is what did the 68% see that ISH is missing? This was a pro-Jordan panel too, as the 82-18% result suggests...If there was bias, it would be to prop up AD.

    *Davis was 6th this year, getting zero second place votes and five third place votes. Pippen was 5th in 96', getting 11 second place votes (MJ was nearly unanimous in first place votes) and 18 third place votes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carbine View Post
    A few things

    -LeBron is going to get a bigger % than normal because it's fresh. A more proper time to ask this would be in a few months. Recency bias is real.

    -Kendrick Perkins is one of these "experts"
    Well we saw the same thing after the Last Dance. MJ got a huge bump, but I knew it wouldn't last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roundball_Rock View Post
    This isn't a Pippen thread. The fact is ESPN surveyed experts (I didn't have a vote) and Pippen beat AD in a landslide. Sorry, but the ISH "Pippen sucks" echo chamber isn't the way he is viewed outside of ISH.

    Pippen is consensus top 20-30 all-time (Davis is top 15-20 then? For what? Finishing 3rd, 5th in MVP once*--same as Pippen?)--and usually in the front half of that group--outside of the ISH, a place where he is Iggy and PG>>>Pippen.

    The question to ask here is what did the 68% see that ISH is missing?

    *Davis was 6th this year, getting zero second place votes and five third place votes. Pippen was 5th in 96', getting 11 second place votes (MJ was nearly unanimous in first place votes) and 18 third place votes.
    These ESPN experts?

    Final tally: Raptors (13), Celtics (5).
    Final tally: Bucks (11), Heat (7).
    Final tally: Clippers (19), Denver (0).

    Such experts that they managed to pick 3 out of 4 series wrong in the CSF.

    And come on, you're bringing up regular season MVP voting in '96?! AD was quite literally twice the player Scottie was in the playoffs. Just because AD > any version of Scottie doesn't make Scottie an Iggy level player. AD just had one of the best playoff runs ever by a big man. It's not an insult to say he was better than Scottie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doranku View Post
    And come on, you're bringing up regular season MVP voting in '96?! AD was quite literally twice the player Scottie was in the playoffs.
    Yes, a healthy AD>a Pippen with 3 separate injuries. You raised the issue of them at peak levels. 96' Pippen, as judged by MVP voters, was rated higher than 20' Davis relative to the league at the time (ISH likes to pretend it didn't happen, but Pippen was getting some Jordan comparisons--including from MJ himself--until he got hurt). That was with Pippen limping to the finish the final 20 games or so. If that vote were taken prior to that Pippen may have been 3rd.

    My other point was Davis is being overhyped, for various reasons. He didn't get a first or second place MVP vote. He barely got any third place votes. Yet people are acting like he was equal to LeBron.

    Pippen is a useful comp since he is viewed as the prototypical sidekick, and he was able to get high MVP votes (he actually consistently outpaced Hakeem at the high end of the ballot but Hakeem swamped him in 5th place votes). Davis was a top 5 player this year but he wasn't in the best player conversation like LeBron was. If Davis=LeBron, he would have been.

    Of course it also is possible MJ's era was so weak Iggy got that many votes because there was no one else. Someone has to be marked on ballots with 5 slots, right? While LeBron's is so tough AD did a lot worse despite>>>>>Pippen because this era>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the 90's and AD had tougher comp for votes in this era.

    AD's 2020 is a benchmark type performance for future big men.
    Talk about being a prisoner of the moment. Sidekick performances aren't remembered in the long term. That process has already begun...As soon as the games ended, it became LeBron, LeBron, LeBron. The finals ended just days ago. Imagine 10, 20, 30 years from now.

    LeBron is going to get a bigger % than normal because it's fresh. A more proper time to ask this would be in a few months. Recency bias is real.
    True--but it is still useful. These are NBA expert surveys, not presidential tracking polls. So ESPN isn't going to do this regularly to allow us to track how this shifts. This represents the high end for LeBron since he probably is getting a 5-6 % "bounce". Maybe they ask this heading into the season but most likely we will get these at the end of seasons and then whenever LeBron heads into his farewell season.

    As to the "expert" attacks, I'll take them over people who say PG>Pippen like ISH does.
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