Wade won a championship in 2006.Originally Posted by RogueBorg
Then Wade and his Heat had by far the worst record in the league in 2008.
Which one of those two years is closer to 2010, the year LeBron arrived? 2006 or 2008?
LeBron rescued Wade from the abyss by coming to the Heat.
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10-13-2020, 03:46 PM #16Banned
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Re: Colin Cowherd: "MJ needed Pippen, LeBron just needs a ball"
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10-13-2020, 03:50 PM #17College superstar
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Re: Colin Cowherd: "MJ needed Pippen, LeBron just needs a ball"
and what did AD average in this year finals? 25+ on 50%FG/90FT% and 40% from 3s............. Must be nice having that as your 2nd option.......... Originally Posted by Drygon
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10-13-2020, 03:55 PM #18Good college starter
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Re: Colin Cowherd: "MJ needed Pippen, LeBron just needs a ball"
Wow you just nuked his pour soul from orbit. GG. Originally Posted by RogueBorg
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10-13-2020, 03:56 PM #19Banned
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Re: Colin Cowherd: "MJ needed Pippen, LeBron just needs a ball"
@ Kyrie & Kevin Love
Cavs record in the 13 games LeBron missed in the 2014-15 season: 3-10
Cavs record in the 6 games LeBron missed in the 2015-16 season: 1-5
Cavs record in the 8 games LeBron missed in the 2016-17 season: 0-8
Cavs record overall in the 27 games LeBron missed in the 3 seasons LeBron, Kyrie and Love played together: 4-23
Kyrie & Love = The Lottery Brothers
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10-13-2020, 04:01 PM #20Good college starter
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Re: Colin Cowherd: "MJ needed Pippen, LeBron just needs a ball"
Why are you referencing 2008 when Lebron joined the Heat in 2011? 2010 should be the reference, don't be retarded. 47-35 is not the abyss. Originally Posted by TheGoatest
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10-13-2020, 04:04 PM #21Banned
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Re: Colin Cowherd: "MJ needed Pippen, LeBron just needs a ball"
Why are you referencing 2006 and conveniently avoiding to reference 2008 when claiming that Wade "taught" LeBron how to win? Originally Posted by theman93
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10-13-2020, 04:07 PM #22Bear Chested Da Brawn
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Re: Colin Cowherd: "MJ needed Pippen, LeBron just needs a ball"
the very man who started the whole superteam era, just needed a "ball"
fake news media personalities willing to say anything to up branLast edited by STATUTORY; 10-13-2020 at 04:10 PM.
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10-13-2020, 04:14 PM #23NBA All-star
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Re: Colin Cowherd: "MJ needed Pippen, LeBron just needs a ball"
Wade - old, had half a knee left Originally Posted by Drygon
bosh - didn't need him 2012
Kyrie - virus
Kevin Love - basically Kokuc
AD - Sure, I give you that one
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10-13-2020, 04:16 PM #24Consensus Top 20-30 AT
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Re: Colin Cowherd: "MJ needed Pippen, LeBron just needs a ball"
5 (he was runner up MVP in one of those years). How many did LeBron have when you exclude five LeBron teammates (Wade, Bosh, Irving, Love, Davis--all implicitly being put on the same plane, as if Love's 9/7/1 was the same as what AD did)? To the extent the question is unfair, Jordan's own fans are very quick to ask what Pippen won without Jordan. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, no? Originally Posted by hold this L
A lot of people are making hay about LeBron not winning when you remove 5 (5
) teammates but the fact is he was in the finals and two ECF with none of these players. Regarding Love and Bosh, we saw the Cavs make the finals with Love out most of the playoffs (he played 4 first round games) and the Heat with Bosh out for most of the ECF/ECSF. What happened when Rodman or Grant weren't around?
If you use 5 you can erase basically entire careers. Let's take Sam Jones, Cousy, and Havlicek for Russell--3 players. What's left?Last edited by Roundball_Rock; 10-13-2020 at 04:22 PM.
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10-13-2020, 04:19 PM #25RENT FREE
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Re: Colin Cowherd: "MJ needed Pippen, LeBron just needs a ball"
And this is why this loser is unlistenable.
Imagine thinking this.
Imagine leaving the collusions out
And all the finals losses.
This type of dumb media is what made the stans so retarded in the first place.
Dumb leading dumber
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10-13-2020, 06:17 PM #26NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
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Re: Colin Cowherd: "MJ needed Pippen, LeBron just needs a ball"
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If lebron just needs a ball, then why didn't he stay with the 2019 roster and win with them?.
Heck, Ingram is now a star.. So why didn't Lebron develop the 2019 Laker roster?
It's because that's the harder path, that's why.. it's much easier to land on the Year 1 league favorite (11', 15'), or acquire Duncan, I mean AD..
If we were to imagine the easiest path, it would be landing on the Year 1 league favorite, as opposed to developing the 19' Lakers into a champion (like MJ did with the bulls)
Lebron skips all the team development stages, including dealing with young teammates or old teammates... he doesn't have to develop an Ingram or Pippen, and doesn't have to deal with aging players like Pippen sucking during the 96-98' Playoffs (17 on 41%), or Rodman (4/8 averages for entire 97' Playoffs and wasn't the starter in 98' Playoffs)..
Lebron doesn't have to deal with this.... Instead, he refreshes his cast every 4 years with the hottest prime studs the league has to offer.. it's WEAK.. and everyone knows it
And not everyone does it.. lebron started this trend of hopping around and is by far the biggest participant.. in reality, only KD stacked the deck like lebron by shutting down the league for 2017 and 2018.. but this was just revenge for the Heatles doing the same from 11-13'
Ultimately, you can't sell the story that it's harder to acquire AD, Wade, Kyrie, Love and Bosh, than not.
One more thing - lebron's talent-seeking avoids having to be actually COACHED into a system.. he can just run the suboptimal bron-ball because the extra talent is there to offset suboptimal brand.. and yes, ball-dominance has a lower championship expectation than ball movement, everything else being equal.. a brand that's bad at winning on the Finals level kills championship expectation compared to other greats/skillsets that cater to a more optimal style (ball movement)Last edited by 3ball; 10-13-2020 at 06:20 PM.
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10-13-2020, 06:39 PM #27NBA sixth man of the year
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Re: Colin Cowherd: "MJ needed Pippen, LeBron just needs a ball"
Wade, Irving, AD....
LeBron had a good/great #2 on each of the teams he won a championship with. And there's nothing wrong with that. Almost nobody wins without a great #2.
Honestly, I get dumber every time I listen to Cowherd. He's just shockingly clueless about basketball. Just yesterday he was talking about how he couldn't understand why people hated LeBron. Then went on to say KD joined GS but nobody hates him
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10-13-2020, 06:43 PM #28The Puppeteer
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Re: Colin Cowherd: "MJ needed Pippen, LeBron just needs a ball"
Forget being 1-9 without Pippen...
JORDAN NEVER HAD A WINNING SEASON WITHOUT PIPPEN.
0/5
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10-13-2020, 06:45 PM #29NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
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10-13-2020, 06:48 PM #30The Puppeteer
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Re: Colin Cowherd: "MJ needed Pippen, LeBron just needs a ball"
Babyboi cannot deal with FACTS Originally Posted by 3ball
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Your boi had 5 attempts to have a winning season without Pippen and FAILED
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