Colin Cowherd: "MJ needed Pippen, LeBron just needs a ball"

[3ball]

Wade, Irving, AD....

LeBron had a good/great #2 on each of the teams he won a championship with. And there's nothing wrong with that. Almost nobody wins without a great #2.

Honestly, I get dumber every time I listen to Cowherd. He's just shockingly clueless about basketball. Just yesterday he was talking about how he couldn't understand why people hated LeBron. Then went on to say KD joined GS but nobody hates him

Pippen wasn't a "great" #2 during the 2nd three-peat

Or the 93' Playoffs (16.9 PER... that's worse than Wade 18.6 in 2014 Playoffs)

And only pippen's poor play caused the 92' ECSF to go 7, or the 98' ECF

Every close series was pippen's fault

[3ball]

Forget being 1-9 without Pippen...

JORDAN NEVER HAD A WINNING SEASON WITHOUT PIPPEN.

0/5

Pippen sucked bro..

Look at his stats in each series... Complete trash - worse than Paul George most of the time..

Pippen is one of the most overrated players ever ...

* 16/6/5 career averages with weak efficiency

*17 on 41% for the entire 96-98' playoffs...

*12 on 42% vs the 88-90' Pistons

*19 on 42% in 6 Finals

*16 on 40% in many series including... 90' ECF.. 92' ECSF.. 93' 1st Rd.. 96' ECSF.. 96' Finals.. 97 1st Rd.. 97' ECF.. 98' ECF.. 98' Finals


^^^ lebron never won a Finals or beat any top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick

Imagine if AD got those stats - the Lakers would lose in the 1st Rd

The reality is that Jordan nearly beat the 89' Pistons with Pippen getting 10 on 40%, so he would've won that year with anyone OTHER than pippen.. jordan never had a bad series, so anytime a series was close or lost, it was pippen's fault (see the many series listed above)

(and Phil wasn't there in 89' when MJ nearly made the Finals with a low seed - Phil inherited a team on the cusp of the Finals and never won without Jordan or his clone.. aka the triangle required a goat bailout artist to be a great offense - it had no real success without one as NY found out).

[FireDavidKahn]

Pippen sucked bro..

Look at his stats in each series... Complete trash - worse than Paul George most of the time..

Pippen is one of the most overrated players ever ...

* 16/6/5 career averages with weak efficiency

*17 on 41% for the entire 96-98' playoffs...

*12 on 42% vs the 88-90' Pistons

*19 on 42% in 6 Finals

*16 on 40% in many series including... 90' ECF.. 92' ECSF.. 93' 1st Rd.. 96' ECSF.. 96' Finals.. 97 1st Rd.. 97' ECF.. 98' ECF.. 98' Finals


^^^ lebron never won a Finals or beat any top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick

Imagine if AD got those stats - the Lakers would lose in the 1st Rd

The reality is that Jordan nearly beat the 89' Pistons with Pippen getting 10 on 40%, so he would've won that year with anyone OTHER than pippen.. jordan never had a bad series, so anytime a series was close or lost, it was pippen's fault (see the many series listed above)

(and Phil wasn't there in 89' when MJ nearly made the Finals with a low seed - Phil inherited a team on the cusp of the Finals and never won without Jordan or his clone.. aka the triangle required a goat bailout artist to be a great offense - it had no real success without one as NY found out).

But stats were MUCH harder to get back then.

To properly convert you gotta up it by about 50%

[Ainosterhaspie]

Pippen wasn't a "great" #2 during the 2nd three-peat

Or the 93' Playoffs (16.9 PER... that's worse than Wade 18.6 in 2014 Playoffs)

And only pippen's poor play caused the 92' ECSF to go 7, or the 98' ECF

Every close series was pippen's fault

Nope, that series went 7 because when Jordan had a chance to win it in six, he literally fell on his face.

[Spurs m8]

Imagine watching both play and still being so biased that you think LeBron is better.

How embarrassing...no wonder no one in real life says it

[Roundball_Rock]

Damn, Pippen sucked in the second threepeat but was #2 in all-NBA voting (behind MJ) in 96' and 5th in MVP. In other words, prime Pippen was ahead of prime Malone in all-NBA and MVP voting.

If Pippen sucked, how bad was MJ's comp then? Those 6 rings can't be taken seriously if the best player on your best finals comp can't beat out a player who "sucked" while in the middle of his prime (Malone won MVP the next season).

MJ stans are making a strong case that MJ's era was a joke where Iggy (the modern player 1-9ball and his disciples most equate Pippen to) would be ahead of Malone or Barkley in all-NBA and MVP in multiple years. In this era, Iggy is a #4/#5 option on a contender.

[FireDavidKahn]

Damn, Pippen sucked in the second threepeat but was #2 in all-NBA voting (behind MJ) in 96' and 5th in MVP. In other words, prime Pippen was ahead of prime Malone in all-NBA and MVP voting.

If Pippen sucked, how bad was MJ's comp then? Those 6 rings can't be taken seriously if the best player on your best finals comp can't beat out a player who "sucked" while in the middle of his prime (Malone won MVP the next season).

MJ stans are making a strong case that MJ's era was a joke where Iggy (the modern player 1-9ball and his disciples most equate Pippen to) would be ahead of Malone or Barkley in all-NBA and MVP in multiple years. In this era, Iggy is a #4/#5 option on a contender.

3ball said Larry Hughes was better then prime Pippen

[Roundball_Rock]

3ball said Larry Hughes was better then prime Pippen

[TheMan]

Michael Jordan needed Pippen and Lebron just needs...

- Dwyane Wade

- Chris Bosh

- Kyrie Irving

- Kevin Love

- Anthony Davis

I'll take Wade, Bosh, Irving, Love, Allen and Davis please

[nineiron]

I'll take Wade, Bosh, Irving, Love, Allen and Davis please

all day, everyday.

every one of those players have a higher career PER than Pippen.

[TheMan]

This Cowherd is an absolute idiot, he supposedly is a football expert and this dumfukk actually said that he would take Mark Sanchez over Aaron Rodgers LMAO

Is Sanchez still in the NFL? Meanwhile Rodgers has had a GOAT career. Apparently he is even more clueless when it comes to hoops

[FireDavidKahn]

all day, everyday.

every one of those players have a higher career PER than Pippen.

The ironic thing is that your ilk loves to bash this era as so easy and ripe for stat padding and yet use those same stats to try and prove they are superior to past era's

You can't make it up!

[Roundball_Rock]

The ironic thing is that your ilk loves to bash this era as so easy and ripe for stat padding and yet use those same stats to try and prove they are superior to past era's

You can't make it up!

Moreover, if, say, Irving>Pippen that is damning as to how weak MJ's era was (if you subscribe to that line of "thinking"). Irving can't even get one 5th place MVP vote in this era while Pippen was finishing ahead of prime Malone, prime Barkley in all-NBA, MVP in multiple years in the 90's.

No one makes the case for MJ's era being weak better than MJ stans themselves. They don't even grasp it.

[theman93]

Why are you referencing 2006 and conveniently avoiding to reference 2008 when claiming that Wade "taught" LeBron how to win?

Because Wade was already a proven champion and lifted Miami out of the abyss in both 2009 and 2010 by himself. Don't be an idiot.

[Roundball_Rock]

Because Wade was already a proven champion and lifted Miami out of the abyss in both 2009 and 2010 by himself. Don't be an idiot.

Lifted them to first round defeats? Miami lost in the first round in 07', 09', 10' and missed the playoffs (15 wins) in 08'. Where is the "lift"? Miami was mediocre before LeBron got there. Wade was great but he didn't lift them like LeBron did with similar "casts" in Cleveland. The difference between a GOAT candidate and a top 25 AT player.