it's a statistical FACT that the 89' Cavs were better than anyone lebron beat in East

[1987_Lakers]

What about the preseason odds? ARe you insane? Since when did PRESEASON odds become a big determinant on how good a team was at the end of the season? Give playoffs odds or series odds or something. PRESEASON odds? Really desperate here.

If we went by pre-season odds then the 2013 Lakers would have made the Finals, but we all know how that turned out.

[SouBeachTalents]

What did Price and Daughtery do against the Bulls?

1989: Price 16/3/6 on 39% from the field, Daughtery 11/9/2 on 36% (as a post player--he was a center)
1992: Price 19/2/5 on 48%, Daughtery 18/10/4 on 47%
1993: Price 14/2/6 on 51%, Daughtery 16/10/4 on 56%
1994: Price 15/2/5 on 35%

1-9ball and his disciples talk about PPG as the be all end all all the time. Notice how Price/Daughtery never clear 20 PPG? Notice their #1 option (Price) averages 16 PPG?

3ball completely dodging this post

[TheGoatest]

It's a statistical fact that LeBron beat not one, not two, but three teams in the finals that were better than any team Jordan ever beat in a playoffs/finals series:

[TheCorporation]

It's a statistical fact that LeBron beat not one, not two, but three teams in the finals that were better than any team Jordan ever beat in a playoffs/finals series:

It's Ova

[plowking]

Who leads in career PER

Who leads in career BPM

Who leads in career WS/48

Who has the higher VORP seasons


Jordan.. Jordan . Jordan.. Jordan..

I didn't read the bable you wrote.. I just saw the letter BPM and then you cherry-picking years to get Lebron's higher

The reality is that lebron averaged 2 to 5 more points than his sidekick when he won the Finals (shared load), while MJ averaged 10-20 more (carry-job)

And lebron never beat a top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick, so he never had a carry-job against a good team.. otoh, MJ had carry-jobs against many good teams

In what way is it cherry picking stats?

Since they won their first titles, and considered to be at the peak of their careers, Bron's output has been higher. Is that not a fact?

Career numbers on an average statistic can be skewed due to the fact that Bron played more seasons, etc. At the height of their careers though, Bron was the more effective player though. This is simply going by the same metrics you like to use. Raw stats mixed with efficiency and advanced stats.

Jordan in his 7 playoff runs since he won his first title: 28.1 PER, .558 TS%, .258 WS
LeBron in his 8 playoff runs since he won his first title: 29.7 PER, .596 TS%, .259 WS

Jordan raw stats in his 7 playoff runs since he won his first title: 32.5ppg/6.2rpg/5.3apg/1.9spg/0.8bpg
LeBron raw stats in his 8 playoff runs since he won his first title: 29.2ppg/9.4rpg/7.3apg/1.7spg/0.9bpg

Not like it isn't close, Bron is just that tiny bit better.

[Ainosterhaspie]

Nobody cares about post season bait dogs and fluffers used to get real contenders primed for games that really matter.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Who leads in career PER

Who leads in career BPM

Who leads in career WS/48

Who has the higher VORP seasons


Jordan.. Jordan . Jordan.. Jordan..

I didn't read the bable you wrote.. I just saw the letter BPM and then you cherry-picking years to get Lebron's higher

The reality is that lebron averaged 2 to 5 more points than his sidekick when he won the Finals (shared load), while MJ averaged 10-20 more (carry-job)

And lebron never beat a top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick, so he never had a carry-job against a good team.. otoh, MJ had carry-jobs against many good teams

Career playoff BPM - Jordan LeBron kawhi

Career playoff win share 48 - Jordan Mikan LeBron Kawhi

Mikan doesn't really count, so the big 3 is Jordan LeBron kawhi

Side note: Anthony Davis is #1 on career playoff TS

[NBAGOAT]

What about all-stars.. what about preseason odds

The 89' Cavs had all four - the best combination of SRS, DRTG, all-stars and odds - than any team Lebron beat.. you have yet to offer a team that can match all four categories, or even three

Ultimately, the 89' Bulls beat the #1 SRS Cavs, so they would beat the #6 Pistons from 07', or the #4 Magic from 09'.. Carry on the fraud tho

when was ron harper an all star? also price and daugherty choked badly that series so i wouldnt prop them up that much and dont say mj's pure presence on the court made them choke lol. You're whipping boy pippen outplayed both of them so basically pippen was capable of outplaying 2 all stars as early as 89 lol.

[3ball]

when was ron harper an all star? also price and daugherty choked badly that series so i wouldnt prop them up that much and dont say mj's pure presence on the court made them choke lol. You're whipping boy pippen outplayed both of them so basically pippen was capable of outplaying 2 all stars as early as 89 lol.

Cavs had 3 all-stars in 89' (price, daughtery and Nance) plus 20/5/5 Ron Harper..

That's why harper was the 4th best player on the Cavs, but #1 on the Hawks because they lacked an all-way athletic player like harper (whereas the Cavs had Nance)

[SouBeachTalents]

Cavs had 3 all-stars in 89' (price, daughtery and Nance) plus 20/5/5 Ron Harper..

That's why harper was the 4th best player on the Cavs, but #1 on the Hawks because they lacked an all-way athletic player like harper (whereas the Cavs had Nance)

Using 3ball's favorite metric

1992 playoffs
Pippen: 19.8 ppg

Price: 18.5
Daughtery: 17.7
Nance: 17.8

1993 playoffs
Pippen: 18.3 ppg

Price: 13.5
Daughtery: 16
Nance: 17.3

[Round Mound]

Using 3ball's favorite metric

1992 playoffs
Pippen: 19.8 ppg

Price: 18.5
Daughtery: 17.7
Nance: 17.8

1993 playoffs
Pippen: 18.3 ppg

Price: 13.5
Daughtery: 16
Nance: 17.3

[NBAGOAT]

Cavs had 3 all-stars in 89' (price, daughtery and Nance) plus 20/5/5 Ron Harper..

That's why harper was the 4th best player on the Cavs, but #1 on the Hawks because they lacked an all-way athletic player like harper (whereas the Cavs had Nance)

When did athleticism make you better than someone by default? I thought you were about skills anyway, this is a big inconsistency from you. I guess all your criticism of Giannis is moot and he’s a goat candidate because of how athletic he is lol.

I agree hawks are overvalued and didn’t deserve 4 all stars but they have good players. I consider taking millsap over nance for one(he and horford were pretty underrated because they weren’t great scorers)

[TheCorporation]

Using 3ball's favorite metric

1992 playoffs
Pippen: 19.8 ppg

Price: 18.5
Daughtery: 17.7
Nance: 17.8

1993 playoffs
Pippen: 18.3 ppg

Price: 13.5
Daughtery: 16
Nance: 17.3

Anthony Pippen outchea

Case closed

[3ball]

Using 3ball's favorite method

1992 playoffs
Pippen: 19.8 ppg

Price: 18.5
Daughtery: 17.7
Nance: 17.8

That's 3 all-stars sharing the load among 3 guys (plus Harper), yet they STILL almost match pippen's peak scoring year that you cherry-picked...

^^^ so Jordan was a 1-man team confirmed...

And confirmed again

[3BallSucks]

It's a statistical fact that LeBron beat not one, not two, but three teams in the finals that were better than any team Jordan ever beat in a playoffs/finals series:

It's over 3ball