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    Lightbulb Top 25 Centers of All-Time Voting Part 5: Players 21-25

    Select and rank the next 5 (players 21 through 25) of the greatest CENTERS of All-Time. A 48 Hour window will be given to make your choices or debate why said player should or shouldn’t be here. After 48 Hours, the final 5 will be selected and we'll be moving on to the POWER FORWARD position.

    Thanks all who participated. Trying to bring different dialogue to the forum besides the same topics over and over. Hope to see you all in the Power Forward Voting in a few days, but let's get the center position out of here with a bang! [Mike Breen voice.]


    Players to choose from:
    Al Horford
    Ben Wallace
    Bill Laimbeer
    Bob Lanier
    Brad Daugherty
    Clyde Lovellette
    Dan Issel
    Ed Macauley
    Jack Sikma
    Marc Gasol
    Neil Johnston
    Walt Bellamy
    Wayne Embry
    Yao Ming
    Zelmo Beaty

    and

    Three Wildcards
    DeMarcus Cousins
    Karl-Anthony Towns
    Nikola Jokic

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    Top 25 Centers: 1-20
    1 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
    2 Bill Russell
    3 Shaquille O'Neal
    4 Wilt Chamberlain
    5 Hakeem Olajuwon
    6 Moses Malone
    7 David Robinson
    8 Patrick Ewing
    9 Willis Reed
    9 George Mikan
    11 Bill Walton
    12 Dwight Howard
    13 Dave Cowens
    14 Bob McAdoo
    15 Robert Parish
    16 Wes Unseld
    17 Nate Thurmond
    18 Alonzo Mourning
    19 Artis Gilmore
    20 Dikembe Mutombo


    Voting Results
    Number of Voters - 5
    Number of Players Receiving Votes - 9


    Wes Unseld - (3) 1st Place Votes / (1) 2nd Place Vote
    Nate Thurmond - (1) 1st Place Vote / (1) 2nd Place Vote / (1) 3rd Place Vote / (1) 5th Place Vote
    Alonzo Mourning - (1) 1st Place Vote / (1) 2nd Place Vote / (1) 3rd Place Vote
    Artis Gilmore - (2) 3rd Place Votes / (2) 4th Place Votes / (1) 5th Place Vote
    Dikembe Mutombo - (1) 2nd Place Vote / (1) 3rd Place Vote / (2) 5th Place Votes
    Bob Lanier - (1) 2nd Place Vote / (1) 4th Place Vote
    Ben Wallace - (1) 4th Place Vote
    Walt Bellamy - (1) 4th Place Vote
    Bill Laimbeer - (1) 5th Place Vote

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    Voting Criteria
    Five Years or more played in the NBA.
    1st = 10 Pts
    2nd = 7 Pts
    3rd = 5 Pts
    4th = 3 Pts
    5th = 1 Pt

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    Default Re: Top 25 Centers of All-Time Voting Part 5: Players 21-25

    Can I just cast a vote for Ben Wallace at #21? I feel like he should have found a way into the top 20 somehow but I don't think he warrants going any lower than this.

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    Default Re: Top 25 Centers of All-Time Voting Part 5: Players 21-25

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    Can I just cast a vote for Ben Wallace at #21? I feel like he should have found a way into the top 20 somehow but I don't think he warrants going any lower than this.
    Bruh, just case your vote.

    Bob Lanier
    Clyde Lovellette
    Dan Issel
    Ed Macauley
    Jack Sikma
    Neil Johnston
    Walt Bellamy
    Wayne Embry
    Yao Ming
    Zelmo Beaty

    These ten are Hall of Famers.
    Just pick who you think are the best four from here,
    Yao is a contemporary.

    Bob Lanier and Walt Bellamy are the best 2 not on the board yet, IMO. Issell, Sikma, Johnston are probably right below. Beaty won an MVP in the ABA.

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    Default Re: Top 25 Centers of All-Time Voting Part 5: Players 21-25

    You should've just gone up to 10 or 15. Attempting to place players in this tier is virtually impossible.

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    Default Re: Top 25 Centers of All-Time Voting Part 5: Players 21-25

    Quote Originally Posted by RoundMoundOfReb View Post
    You should've just gone up to 10 or 15. Attempting to place players in this tier is virtually impossible.
    I didn't do ten because we would just be discussing the same player we do all the time.
    I wanted to dig a little deeper. So we can discuss players that rarely get bought up on this forum.
    It could turn out to be a good thing.

    Who are your remaining 5 to complete the Top 25?
    Ben Wallace, Bob Lanier, Yao?

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    Default Re: Top 25 Centers of All-Time Voting Part 5: Players 21-25

    Wallace
    Lanier
    Issel
    Yao
    Bellamy
    Last edited by Phoenix; 10-22-2020 at 06:11 AM.

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    Default Re: Top 25 Centers of All-Time Voting Part 5: Players 21-25

    Quote Originally Posted by L.Kizzle View Post
    I didn't do ten because we would just be discussing the same player we do all the time.
    I wanted to dig a little deeper. So we can discuss players that rarely get bought up on this forum.
    It could turn out to be a good thing.

    Who are your remaining 5 to complete the Top 25?
    Ben Wallace, Bob Lanier, Yao?
    The thing is it's impossible to really have a discussion at this point since it's so hard to say someone is flat out wrong. It's all in the eye of the beholder.

    Wallace
    Lanier
    Issel
    Gasol
    Yao


    Jokic and Embiid gonna be in here in a minute. I mean I picked Yao but he was good for like 6 seasons. Jokic 2 more seasons at his current level and he's in here easily.

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    Default Re: Top 25 Centers of All-Time Voting Part 5: Players 21-25

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    Wallace
    Lanier
    Issel
    Yao
    Bellamy
    Issell was like one of the first stretch 5's. He was shooting long range bombs when bigs weren't really going out that far.

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    Default Re: Top 25 Centers of All-Time Voting Part 5: Players 21-25

    Quote Originally Posted by RoundMoundOfReb View Post
    The thing is it's impossible to really have a discussion at this point since it's so hard to say someone is flat out wrong. It's all in the eye of the beholder.

    Wallace
    Lanier
    Issel
    Gasol
    Yao


    Jokic and Embiid gonna be in here in a minute. I mean I picked Yao but he was good for like 6 seasons. Jokic 2 more seasons at his current level and he's in here easily.
    But how is it possible to discuss Wilt vs Russell vs Kareem for he umpteenth time (not directed at you specifically), but impossible to discuss Bob Lanier vs Walt Bellamy? or Yao vs Ben? Hell, Yao vs Ben actually happened 15 seasons ago a twice a year when Detroit played Houston.

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    Default Re: Top 25 Centers of All-Time Voting Part 5: Players 21-25

    Quote Originally Posted by L.Kizzle View Post
    Issell was like one of the first stretch 5's. He was shooting long range bombs when bigs weren't really going out that far.
    What's your thoughts on that order? At this point I could be way off.

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    Default Re: Top 25 Centers of All-Time Voting Part 5: Players 21-25

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    Wallace
    Lanier
    Issel
    Yao
    Bellamy
    I'd replace Issel with Neil Johnston. I know how some folks feel about players from the 50's but he was the dominant center post Mikan and pre Russell if only for a few seasons.

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    Default Re: Top 25 Centers of All-Time Voting Part 5: Players 21-25

    21. Bob Lanier
    22. Ben Wallace
    23. Jack Sikma
    24. Walt Bellamy
    25. Neil Johnston

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    Default Re: Top 25 Centers of All-Time Voting Part 5: Players 21-25

    Quote Originally Posted by dankok8 View Post
    21. Bob Lanier
    22. Ben Wallace
    23. Jack Sikma
    24. Walt Bellamy
    25. Neil Johnston
    Jack Sikma is a recent inductee of the Hall of Fame.
    Ben Wallace should get in soon ... hopefully next season.

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    Default Re: Top 25 Centers of All-Time Voting Part 5: Players 21-25

    Random stats on players left in the pool.

    Bob Lanier - Four Seasons in the Top 10 of MVP Voting. (Two of those seasons as Top 4.)
    Ed Macauley - Traded for Bill Russell. Went on to beat Russell & the Celtics in 1958.
    Walt Bellamy - NBA record 88 games played in 1969
    Neil Johnston - Neil had a six season stretch 53-57 where he either led the league in points, rebounds and/or FG%. 1953 was Points / FG% and 1955 was Points and Rebounds.

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    Default Re: Top 25 Centers of All-Time Voting Part 5: Players 21-25

    wallace
    gasol
    lanier
    horford
    issel

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