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    Default Lebron hasn't been all-defense in 7 years

    And you think he's messing with MJ?..

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    Default Re: Lebron hasn't been all-defense in 7 years

    No surprise


    Guard position in the 90's were as brittle as Reggie Millers arms


    Compare that to the Forwards of today, 10-15 all-stars deep that can actually play both ways


    You really don't want to go list for list in this category

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    Default Re: Lebron hasn't been all-defense in 7 years

    So? MJ hasnt been All-Defense in 22 years

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    Default Re: Lebron hasn't been all-defense in 7 years

    Quote Originally Posted by scuzzy View Post
    No surprise


    Guard position was in the 90's was as brittle as Reggie Millers arms and only one way players


    Now compare that to the Forwards of today, 10-15 all-stars deep that can actually play both ways
    The fact that anorexic 10 year old girl body Reggie Miller was Jordan's big competition in the 90's is a big strike against Jordan.

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    Default Re: Lebron hasn't been all-defense in 7 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Gus Hemmingway View Post
    So? MJ hasnt been All-Defense in 22 years
    Gotem

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    Default Re: Lebron hasn't been all-defense in 7 years

    Quote Originally Posted by BigtimeNBAFan View Post
    The fact that anorexic 10 year old girl body Reggie Miller was Jordan's big competition in the 90's is a big strike against Jordan.
    A 6'7" Curry except Miller could average a lot more ppg at only 5 threes per game - Curry was a 19 ppg scorer for three straight years when he took 5 threes a game, and only increased his ppg when the league offensive strategy became a 3-pt contest, which caused his volume to skyrocket

    Miller would see a similar increase in this era of threes.. he would take 11 per game or more.. the spacing would make his head fakes the deadliest in the game on the catch (defenders desperate and late getting to him)

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    Default Re: Lebron hasn't been all-defense in 7 years

    The fact that there was 5 guys in their mid-30's making All-Defensive teams in 1998 reminds us all how weak that era was



    Out of the 10 players from 1st and 2nd team, only two were champions (Scottie, Ordan)

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    Default Re: Lebron hasn't been all-defense in 7 years

    In prior eras, it was harder for perimeter players to get defensive recognition because the offense occurred inside where bigs got the credit.

    Otoh, today's offensive possessions occur on the perimeter, so perimeter players are recognized much easier.. guys that are recognized for defense today might've been unheard of in prior eras.

    DPOY Jordan would average 6 steals per game in today's era of perimeter possessions

    And of course great athletes like Augmon, Lewis, Drexler, Finley, Elliot, Kemp - anyone of them could turn out to be great defenders in today's high pnr game

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    at MJ stans trying to make Miller into Curry. Curry is a 2x MVP. Miller wasn't better than MJ, Drexler, Richmond, and Dumars at SG in his own era when all were in their primes. He was 5th best at his position.

    Reggie Miller was Klay without the defense. Klay isn't Curry.

    Jordan would average 6 steals per game in today's era of perimeter possessions
    Double the steals and I am sure double the points. MJ averaging 70+ today, right, right?

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    Default Re: Lebron hasn't been all-defense in 7 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Roundball_Rock View Post
    at MJ stans trying to make Miller into Curry. Curry is a 2x MVP. Miller wasn't better than MJ, Drexler, Richmond, and Dumars at SG in his own era when all were in their primes. He was 5th best at his position.

    Reggie Miller was Klay without the defense. Klay isn't Curry.



    Double the steals and I am sure double the points. MJ averaging 70+ today, right, right?
    Dumbass - Curry wasn't shit before today's 3-point offense took hold - he was a 19 ppg scorer for three straight years at 5 threes a game, and only increased his ppg when the league offensive strategy became a 3-pt contest (which caused his volume to skyrocket)

    Miller would see a similar increase in this era of threes.. he would take 11 per game or more.. the spacing would make his head fakes the deadliest in the game on the catch (defenders desperate and late getting to him)

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    Default Re: Lebron hasn't been all-defense in 7 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Roundball_Rock View Post
    at MJ stans trying to make Miller into Curry. Curry is a 2x MVP. Miller wasn't better than MJ, Drexler, Richmond, and Dumars at SG in his own era when all were in their primes. He was 5th best at his position.

    Reggie Miller was Klay without the defense. Klay isn't Curry.



    Double the steals and I am sure double the points. MJ averaging 70+ today, right, right?
    Yeah that was a crazy clapback. The truth is Miller has nothing on Curry. Curry is a 2x MVP who actually won titles and was actually a superstar 3 point shooter. Reggie Miller's best 3 point season was he made 229. To put that in perspective Steph Curry has 5 of the top 10 3 point shooting seasons in nba history and they were all more than Miller's best season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scuzzy View Post
    No surprise


    Guard position in the 90's were as brittle as Reggie Millers arms


    Compare that to the Forwards of today, 10-15 all-stars deep that can actually play both ways


    You really don't want to go list for list in this category


    op shoook

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3ball View Post
    Dumbass - Curry wasn't shit before today's 3-point offense took hold - he was a 19 ppg scorer for three straight years at 5 threes a game, and only increased his ppg when the league offensive strategy became a 3-pt contest (which caused his volume to skyrocket)

    Miller would see a similar increase in this era of threes.. he would take 11 per game or more.. the spacing would make his head fakes the deadliest in the game on the catch (defenders desperate and late getting to him)
    No he wouldn't. He is not in Curry's league. Sorry the 90's were crap. Pretty embarrassing for Jordan. There are Jr high girls with anorexia that have bigger muscles than Reggie Miller.

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    Default Re: Lebron hasn't been all-defense in 7 years

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ball View Post
    In prior eras, it was harder for perimeter players to get defensive recognition because the offense occurred inside where bigs got the credit.

    Otoh, today's offensive possessions occur on the perimeter, so perimeter players are recognized much easier.. guys that are recognized for defense today might've been unheard of in prior eras.

    DPOY Jordan would average 6 steals per game in today's era of perimeter possessions

    And of course great athletes like Augmon, Lewis, Drexler, Finley, Elliot, Kemp - anyone of them could turn out to be great defenders in today's high pnr game
    mike was averaging his steals against

    craig ehlo
    john starks
    jeff hornacek
    mitch richmond

    he isnt getting those steals on modern era sg sorry bruh

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    Default Re: Lebron hasn't been all-defense in 7 years

    Quote Originally Posted by BigtimeNBAFan View Post
    No he wouldn't. He is not in Curry's league. Sorry the 90's were crap. Pretty embarrassing for Jordan. There are Jr high girls with anorexia that have bigger muscles than Reggie Miller.
    think about this

    jimmy butler, a player that is probably top...? 15 in this era we can say? put up better finals performance then any player mike faced in 6 finals

    a top 15 player in 2020 would be top 2 in the 90s

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